Proper Arm Hang And Posture

Need fitting specificss. Please email me at jgriffin@docgriffingolf.com

Tom
We've had this discussion before.  General concensus is that it doesn't work.  No dount you have not seen the video from Doc Griffin.

Good stuff Steve I'm still watching too.

Hey RM:  You cracked me up with that one - didn't see it coming, "Golf can make us all look stupid".  LOL, LOL That is just so true.  Thanks for the good chuckle!  R2 

When the shaft reaches the toe line, the left arm should also be parallel to the toe line.  This is the point where the shoulder turn stops.  But, notice, this is not where the shoulder stops turning.  As the club shaft reaches the toe line, the lift begins.  But, to keep the equilateral triangle of the arms, the club head does continue to come to the inside a bid more.  However, it does not go behind the heel.  From what you are describing that you were doing, you would be more likely lifting the club up over the head rather over the shoulder and this would also require the right elbow to be more in the "flying elbow" postion rather than being in the equilateral position. Seems you are now on the right track.

 
Well done RM, just had an hour watching at Torrey Pines. Amazed. TTFN

Surge and I had this discussion a year or so ago.  That is why he redid the video and the SBG was changed to behind the ankles.  The club head stops at the toe line with the shoulder turn but the lift to where the shoulders are in the equilateral traingle, the shaft is over the shoulder therefore so is the club head.  That would be the goal of a perfectly executed PPGS swing.

I fade and slice the ball with the longer clubs, it is getting better I am thankfully saying. Went to the range the other night and have been really working in dropping the arms at the top and not moving the shoulders.

I am sure I felt it, It felt like a slight pause but it couldn't have been because my arms were dropping, but I think I had this feeling due to the shoulders not moving to the ball. So it was like once I reached the top my upper body just stopped there whilst my hip bumped, arms dropped, it felt very strange but my drives were ok. Probably 20 yds to left or right of target or within. Which is good for me!
Not many real bad ones or killer slices, mostly fades from left to right of target or target to right, and some left. I cannot hit straight with the driver but I know I don't swing consistently with the driver.

I too can feel myself drooping more with the driver to compensate, also to get the shaft lower so arms hang more freely I am sure my wrists sometimes flex up towards the chin. I now just flex/firm them down towards the ball which seemed to make me a little bit more consistent.

I have been working on being more upright and ready as I do feel slouchy sometimes, probably over doing the heavy right with too much knee bend!

So this video was very relevant for me!

Thanks Surge....      

Hi fellow Surgeites, all this discussion about 12 o'clock and one piece take away. The 12 o'clock I have no problem about, it refers to the down line view, very simple.  I was very confused about the one piece take away.  Now I think "Shake hands (to the right, for right handers,) and lift."  It works wonderfully.  Re Dave Seeman's drills.  I have stopped "Trying to hit the ball" and now "Swing from top of back swing to top of forward up swing."  Thus I really complete the swing in the right position.  Beautiful.

WT:  Been there, done that, moved on.   I played the 1-Irons for about two years.  Good clubs, but I found that custom-built clubs by Doc Griffin were superior in every respect.  A custom-built club will fit you like a nice glove and will swing even better.  And the cost is comparable to the factory-built clubs from the big-box stores.  Hit 'em straight!  R2   

Thanks Steve. Ya, Disqus has been retarded lately. And patience is not my longsuit.

R2,
The wife and I just watched "7 days in Utopia" movie. A wholesome movie about a young pro learning his way in life and golf. Anyhow it was enjoyable. it turned out to have some spiritual implications.  It was a fresh breath of air and enjoyable. Carry a theme of "See it, Feel it, Trust it".
Was an interesting coincidence that the face forward (side saddle) putting method was somewhat featured too.
Going to stick with the short stick conventional style for now. Interesting food for thought though.

 While cleaning my clubs after a practice yesterday, I got out two of my drivers and set up with them. Left them leaning at a corner on the wall indoors. Noted that on was MUCH more toe up than the other. Your note above gave me food for thought. Once the weather brightens up, I will give it a whirl. Irons with me, not too much of a problem. My 24deg [7wood] Rescue club is the best in my bag at the moment,ie, shorter shaft etc. After that I think I am reverting to a 'rotational swing' darn it. GBSAPS

I posted a response to this a bit ago and I come back, and it's gone. What's up with that. Anyway, thanks for asking about Vaughan. She is doing remarkably well. Her CT scan check ups have been moved from every 3 months to 6 months. The grapefruit sized tumor is now the size of a golfball. The doctor says that he thinks what is left is scar tissue and "dead" matter.

As for the shaft question, it is impossible to give you a specific answer without fitting data. If you'd like to go to our website (www.docgriffingolf.com on the product page) and fill out the Long Distance Driver Fitting form, I can give you a precise recommendation. More important than flex is entire shaft profile as well as loft. It is also important, in my opinion, to make sure that the shaft is in the correct playing position (spined and floed).

In general, for the club head speed you mentioned, a shaft with lower kick, lower torque would be in order. I would be glad to help you more specifically if you wish.

Robert

That is a great movie.  When was the last time any of us saw a movie with no sex, no cussing, and the first thing we see on the screen is a bible verse?

Loved it,
Dick

Good stuff Barry. Thats what we like to hear. It really is the more simple you keep  your swing the easier  it is to do.  When it all clicks together and you hit the perfect shot, it realy is a beautiful thing

DH:  It is a good reminder, isn't it?!.  When I met with Doc Griffin last September, I found that I had several set-up problems and one was standing too close to the the ball,which causes all sorts of problems.  He very patiently explained that to assure proper set-up and correct distance from the ball, I needed to keep the butt-end of the club far enough away from my body so it pointed along an imaginary line drawn parallel to the ground, somewhere between my nose and chin (as Surge talked about in this video). The key for me has been to find that point, while assuring each  club is soled properly.  Not hard to do, just hard to remember sometimes.  Anyway, enjoy the rest of your week and as always, hit 'em straight and GBSAPS.  R2

DJ is on shotracker

http://www.pgatour.com/shottra...

and the live feed....

http://www.pgatour.com/live-vi...

He is playing on the more difficult South Course so will likely have ground to make up tomorrow when he plays the North Course @ Torrey Pines

Sorry to take so long to answer you re the gloves Russty Kiwi. I didn't get them in NZ my daughter sent them from UK for me. You can get them in Australia, I saw them advertised. Just chase "HIRZL Gloves" two sizes only Medium and Large. I have small hands and the medium ones fit well. They claim 3x the grip in dry conditions and 5x the grip in wet conditions. I can vouch for the dry conditions only so far, but am sure that they will live up to expectations. Will see if I can find them on line in Aus. Well worth the money mate.

Thanks for thinking of Vaughan.  She is doing remarkably well and has had her CT scans moved from every 3 months to 6 months now.  What was a tumor the size of a grapefruit has shrunk to the size of a golfball and the doctor thinks what is left is scar tissue and dead matter.  She is truly my miracle. 

As to  your question.  It is really impossible for me to answer specifically without having fitting data.  If you want to fill out one of our Long Distance Fitting forms (available on my web site at:  www.docgriffingolf.com  on the products page) I can answer with specific recommendations as to shaft, length, and loft.

In general, at that swing speed you would want a lower kick, lower torque shaft.  Another important aspect, in my opinion, is also getting correct MOI as well as having the shaft oriented in it's proper playing position.

Wouldn't that glove make it hard to grip the club properly?
Just asking. :-)

DH,

I must be loosing it. I do not even recall posting that particular question. I wish I new the date of it, or the particular video it was in response to. My assumption is, it is from a while back, but we all know the old breakdown on the word assume, and what it makes out of U and Me. It certainly would not be the first time I forgot saying or asking something.

Thumb and hand still hurting, but hopefully mending well. I can only imagine the pain Mike must be having, probably his entire arm. At least the pain meds induce some nice sleep, but weird dreams.

Have never tried the Kangaroo glove's, they sound like they might be worth a try though. I generally use the cabretta or just an all weather synthetic. Do they come with a pouch for your Tee and ball marker. Sorry, couldn't resist, it's the meds.

PMG  

Good as gold mate. I have two sisters living in Queensland & might give them a shout & see what they can find.  One of my nephews plays golf over there,fairly well apparently, he'll know wear to find some.
   Cheers Russty

Nicely put Russty, I call it hitting the ball crisply or cleanly. It is such a pure feeling. When we hit the center of the sweet spot it is amazing how it seems there is no vibration in the club and it is oh so painless and pretty. Makes it all worth it :)

 Keith Kent's comment about "not moving the shoulders" on the downswing motivated me to post this inquiry to see what others thought about the role of the shoulders in the FUS.  After watching a video of my swing, I noticed that
the plane going through my shoulders were rotating rather flat (down the line view), for lack of better words.  The plane was not even perpendicular to my spine angle.

I went back to look at Don and DJ hitting through the bag, used some crude measuring  instruments, and noticed that their plane through the shoulders were actually dipping below a line perpendicular to their spines. 

So, I tried this for three days, difficult at first because my shoulders are rather tight, and the results were rather interesting.  I was able to keep my balance a lot better, I think because it made me to loosen up my shoulders in order to execute the move, it naturally opened up to the target more freely into and after contact;  and I made better contact with the ball. Drives consistently went 10 yards or so farther.  Those were the real changes.

There is one other change that may be more  imagined than real. My hand feels more connected to my body instead of just "out there."  It feels like my shoulders and right hand are working together to bring the club head to the ball, like the shoulders and hands can now work together to position the club  in 3D space.  I did not get this feeling previously.      

Sorry to take so long to answer you re the gloves Russty Kiwi. I didn't get them in NZ my daughter sent them from UK for me. You can get them in Australia, I saw them advertised. Just chase "HIRZL Gloves" two sizes only Medium and Large. I have small hands and the medium ones fit well. They claim 3x the grip in dry conditions and 5x the grip in wet conditions. I can vouch for the dry conditions only so far, but am sure that they will live up to expectations. Will see if I can find them on line in Aus. Well worth the money mate.

I would need more information.  Please email me:  jgriffin@docgriffingolf.com

Painrxer,
Here's a couple suggestions. One, short of buying a better computer with a better sound system you could first simply plug into your computer with headphones. You'll be getting the direct sound from your pc. Another option is to buy mini speakers for your pc.
I have great sound and have never had a problem hearing these videos. And trust me, as an old time rock concert attendee,(dozens of loud concerts and loud music for decades now and counting), I don't have the best hearing but with my sound on loud and ocassionally using headphones, no problem!
As I like to say, my hearing is going bye bye but at least my vision is leaving too! Sarcasm intended:) Good thing I still have my looks and charm!

edit:
Oh BTW, I forgot to mention my memory is fading. Ha, ha!

Good as gold mate. I have two sisters living in Queensland & might give them a shout & see what they can find.  One of my nephews plays golf over there,fairly well apparently, he'll know wear to find some.
   Cheers Russty

Yes we just need a few more of them. But we still need a few bad ones so we can appreciate the good ones more

Pity you are not closer T, as an army Medic, part of my trade, was that of a plaster technician. Everything from Plaster beds, shoulder spicas, hip spicas, Minerva plasters, POP jackets, full leg, full arm......etc. The only Minerva POP I did cost me a pint of my blood when the guy started bleeding during his spinal operation. So bread and butter for me. Hope that it settles down and the 2nd of Feb is another step fwd in your recovery.
Regards and loved the Kangaroo comment, meds or no meds hahahaha. Humour will pull you thru' guaranteed.

Thanks for that Steve, I was having problems with it yesterday and ended up posting multiple times : - ( Punishment for being a Great Big SAP yesterday. Roy Reed would have smacked my wee hand, On my usual whim, I dropped my clubshaft across my toe line on the first tee. That was after aiming, visualizing etc. Imagine when I noted that I was aimed dead straight at my intended target with club etc, but the toe line was off by a few degrees to the left. Straightened the clubshaft parallel and hit the longest and straightest off the tee on that hole, my usual nemesis. One where I have been in the water more times than not, pulling the tee shot on a short par 3. Well yesterday my 8 iron to the green [after checking my toe line again] was dead in the middle of the green on line with the pin~!
So an A/maziningly- L/azy- I/mpatient- G/ormless- N/aughty- M/oronic- E/xcited- N/ow T/houghtfully C/onfident PPGS follower. ALIGNMENT, Alignment, alignment. GBSAPS it is good to say it, far better to do it, religiously.
Rain and high winds again here, ho-hum. Patience

I posted a response to this a bit ago and I come back, and it's gone.  What's up with that.  Anyway, thanks for asking about Vaughan.  She is doing remarkably well.  Her CT scan check ups have been moved from every 3 months to 6 months.  The grapefruit sized tumor is now the size of a golfball.  The doctor says that he thinks what is left is scar tissue and "dead" matter.

As for the shaft question, it is impossible to give you a specific answer without fitting data.  If you'd like to go to our website (www.docgriffingolf.com on the product page) and fill out the Long Distance Driver Fitting form, I can give you a precise recommendation.  More important than flex is entire shaft profile as well as loft.  It is also important, in my opinion,  to make sure that the shaft is in the correct playing position (spined and floed).

In general, for the club head speed you mentioned, a shaft with lower kick, lower torque would be in order.  I would be glad to help you more specifically if you wish.

Steve:  You are sooo right - I just re-read my description and it is really dumb, lol.  As you correctly say, the hands, not the butt of the shaft, line up under our chin/nose area, as shown in the pictures you posted.  Thanks so much!  R2

Hey Steve, Describe what you mean by butt line?

Cheers

You better hop to it T if you want to get the jump on the rest of the surge nation to get your hands on the kangaroo gloves, once the word gets out. I think the pouch would be better for keeping your balls in, but I guess thats optional depending on gender  I did buy some shark skin boots in Colorado once, but they were not as waterproof as I had hoped.. Get well soon.
  Cheers Russty

Good as gold mate. I have two sisters living in Queensland & might give them a shout & see what they can find.  One of my nephews plays golf over there,fairly well apparently, he'll know wear to find some.
   Cheers Russty

Russty Kiwi, The glove had another trial today and I had a guy 6'8" tall tried to turn the club head in my hand.The hand turned the glove didn't. Good enough for me. Bet he buys one or more. These stop sweaty palms affecting the grip as well.

A question for Doc Griffin-  First of all, hope you wife is feeling better--haven't heard any report lately and was hoping the news is good.

Generally speaking, for a slower (senior 78-82mph) swing, what shaft characteristics work best in terms of distance and accuracy (flex point, weight, etc.)?  Bought a lady Ping 12 deg. driver last year and it has worked out pretty well but was wondering if any shaft you carry might work even better.  Thanks, Doc.
Regards,
Ray Gawlak

I posted a response to this a bit ago and I come back, and it's gone. What's up with that. Anyway, thanks for asking about Vaughan. She is doing remarkably well. Her CT scan check ups have been moved from every 3 months to 6 months. The grapefruit sized tumor is now the size of a golfball. The doctor says that he thinks what is left is scar tissue and "dead" matter.

As for the shaft question, it is impossible to give you a specific answer without fitting data. If you'd like to go to our website (www.docgriffingolf.com on the product page) and fill out the Long Distance Driver Fitting form, I can give you a precise recommendation. More important than flex is entire shaft profile as well as loft. It is also important, in my opinion, to make sure that the shaft is in the correct playing position (spined and floed).

In general, for the club head speed you mentioned, a shaft with lower kick, lower torque would be in order. I would be glad to help you more specifically if you wish.

I recorded myself last night in the dark doing the swing lol! And I was a lot more vertical so think I am on to something finally and it didn't feel mechanical. This now gives me something more solid to work on as before I would swing the club with results of the same swing regardless of changes I thought I was making.
Fingers crossed.......

Wish I could blame some meds T! i have no excuses besides creeping age effects:)
As for your hand recovery and pain relief, I'm sure you ice.
Here's a site that sells the glove still frequently use;
http://want2care.com/pro113450...
girl in the pic is not included. It really is effective tough. Just stick the glove in your freezer for a few hours.

Seems DISQUS is all over the place. Wont load, then says error. Next minute 3 replies. I give up