I receive a lot of comments and emails praising the Peak Performance Golf Swing. Many times I'll hear how it's enabled golfers to enjoy the game again, whether it's through pain relief or the simplicity of the swing. But, every once in a while I get the other side of the coin.
Today, I want to read an email that was sent to the website from someone whose name I won't share. They asked me not to use their comment for a daily video, but it's got some good observations and it challenges the PPGS, so I just had to devote a daily video to it.
Surge,
Your vertical position is awful! You talk about eliminating angles and yes, that is good, but you never address how the muscles work! The body must reroute the club to impact position...you are using a Furyk swing. Yes, it is radical. You are manipulating the club and teaching a methodology that requires a routing of the club against its design and then rerouting to impact. Jim Hardy does the same thing on a one plane swing but the opposite way. The club is closed on the backswing till the body can't do it anymore, then he recommends the forearm rotates to square at the top, then re-rotates closed on the down swing...gee...sounds easy doesn't it? To me, your methodology is exactly opposite.
No it doesn't work for me. Common sense says you get the club too vertical. The club is designed to swing on an arch not a vertical plane. To swing a club vertical goes against the physics of its design. Sorry, but that is the truth of the matter, as the pendants say on TV.
Respecully submitted,
Anonymous
First of all, I do address how the muscles work. You can check out any number of dailies or the full length videos in Surge's Shop. The particular daily video he's referring to was more about positions than what the muscles do, but to say I've never talked about it is false.
I'll be the first to tell you that Jim Furyk does have similar positions to the PPGS because he never gets the club in the sacred burial ground. Another famous golfer who did this was Lee Trevino. These are really good observations and it's clear to me that this person has studied the golf swing extensively.
The golf swing is an arc because it's not a perfect circle. He says it's not designed to be a vertical plane. But, everything has a vertical plane. We swing on the maximum, vertical, incline plane for our posture. If I don't swing vertically, the club would become too heavy. When he says I get the club too vertical and says it's wrong, common sense would actually suggest that vertical is better, not worse.
The PPGS makes sense because it's based entirely on physics and physiology. I want him to see that this isn't based on logic, it's 100% fact. I didn't invent the physics of the swing, I just figured it out by piecing it together with the experts. I always want people to understand why we swing the club the way we do. I don't just tell them what to do during a lesson, I explain why we're doing it.
It doesn't bother me when people challenge my methods because it just gives me an opportunity to explain them in greater detail. If you've followed the site for any significant period of time, you know that I constantly provide facts about the physics of a golf swing. If someone isn't having success with the swing, I suggest looking at some of the videos in Surge's Shop, as they are far more detailed.
I genuinely believe that the Peak Performance Golf Swing is a swing that can help everyone, as long as they are willing to forget what they've been taught in the past and come into it with a fresh perspective.
Keep it vertical!
The Surge
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Comments
Enlow
I doubt seriously if I would ever use those grips but I am curious about what the reverse taper is supposed to accomplish. What do you like about them?
Enlow grips
Steve
The first thing I like about them is they cushion any impact with the ground from my shoulders and back. I guess one of the problems I have had with the regular tapered grips is that my right hand, which is slightly bigger than my left hand, has always been on the smaller area of the grip. I think this has always caused me to grip a bit too tight with the right hand. When you over grip, it tightens up the muscles in the forearm too much. I think this has been costing me some club head speed and I was either not getting my hands closed at impact, or when I really tried to turn my hands to correct that issue, then I over closed and went from slices to hooks (Army golf, left, right, left). With the Enlow grip, I seem to just be able to relax and hit the ball and I seem to get square at impact, I have picked up a few mph club head speed, and my follow through to the T finish seems effortless.
Dick
Grip
Makes sense. I have had similar problems in the past, and my right hand is WAY bigger than my left. I can hold my hands in a prayer position and all of the fingers on my right hand are 1/2 inch longer than my left hand and my right thumb is 3/4 inch longer than my left thumb. My right hand belongs to a steel driver and my left hand is nothing but an artist. LOL
My "rotation" problem disapeared when I actually studied the grip and went by what I saw rather than what anybody described. Haven't had a problem since.
Grip
Steve
It is amazing that when you really break down something and study it the right way, it can change what you have been seeing your whole life. I have been doing a lot of studying for the club tech position at Dick's. I am just about finished with "The complete golf club fitting plan" book by Ralph Maltby. It is part of the PGA level one training for assistant pros. It has changed so much about the way I look at a golf club. It has helped me understand why some things happen, that I would have never figured out by myself. It is one of the reasons I decided to try the Enlow grips. His description of what happens when an area of a grip is too small, what we do to try to compensate for that, and what happens to the club and to our swing when we do that fit me to a T. Been doing a lot of seriously hard reading between that and the level one teaching stuff. But, it has been more than worth it. Besides what I am learning which will help me a lot at work, and my customers, it is helping me with my own game a lot. It makes it so much easier to understand what the Surge is talking about with the face angle, swing path, what different shafts do, and how the ball reacts to being struck in anything other than on, on, and on.
If my head does not explode first, I am just going to keep on stuffing it with golf stuff.
Good night pal, I will check in with you guys when I get home from work at the golf shop tomorrow.
Got to hit the rack, up in 5 hours.
Dick
Just saw this post Steve
Here is the list of 'supposed to accomplish' benefits:
http://www.enlowgrips.com/benefits.cfm
Other comments and reviews
http://thesandtrap.com/t/39118/enlow-grips-anyone-tried-them
Personal observations after one practice seesion and one 18 hole round yeasterday.
I am still getting use to them. as with the Jumbo Max they have some of the same feel and potential benifits, especially for those of us with past or current hand/arm issues. Less vibration is good on the arhtritus, et..
The bottom hand and especially the thumb and index finger are most effected by the reverse tapper. It does feel very different, especially for those completely unfamiliar with a really thick grip. I find that they do help quiet the hands and reduce the tendency of the dominant right (lower) hand to over control the grip. Obviously it is easier felt and used than explained and that's why many have chosen to buy and try one first.
The sites I gave will give you some more insight to the effect of the reverse tapper. As usual it come down to feel and result. I had two birdies and several pars that I feel resulted from some good approaches with my newer clubs and those grips yesterday. Still a trial for me anyway. I'll know more after more use.
lies
Yes like Dick said. Also consider............
More often than not on even brand new clubs the lies and lofts are
#1 not what they are claimed to be.
Yes really.
#2 Even if they are what the industry claims is "standard" that does not mean the lies are correct for you. Myself as an example, I normally play 2 degrees more ipright than yhe claimed standard.
#3 Regrdless of your type of swing, the quality of the courses and grass you play and if you hit off hard pan, desert roots or sidewalks it is almost a given that both the lofts and lies are off after a couple of years.
The reason you have never heard of the importance of your lies (and lofts) needing checked? Good question. It has only been the last few years that the importance of any fitting has been encouraged. Most fittings still fall way short.
Do yourself a favor and go on you tube and look at 'adjusting lies on golf clubs' and you'll get quite an education.
I certainly am no expert but in the last couple of years through personal experience I have found that this cheap and simple fix can vastly affect your golf. It removes one more variable to consistent shots.
Enlow Grips
Leedc: I wear a medium cadet glove, and really love the Enlows! Yes, they are different, but the reverse taper is very easy to get used to and for me, they give better control and feel than my Winn No. 7 jumbos. I've only had time to install them on 5 of my clubs, but will be installing them on every club in the next few days. I am also going to put one of them on my new short putter and see how it works. R2
After action report
Surge Nation
The potato soup was wonderful. With the crackers and a handful of shredded cheese, it was thick enough to eat with a fork. I changed course on the desert and went with a piece of pecan pie with a large scoop of ice cream. I finished that all off with 3 pieces of Ghirardelli chocolate.
Donna and I watched K-19. A different movie for sure. But it reminded us that folks on all sides can be dedicated to their cause.
I am going to take my busted up old tail to the rack, up at 5:30 to work at the golf shop.
Have a great weekend folks, and I will check in with you when I get home from work tomorrow.
Remember, watch the alignment video, and watch it often,
Dick
One problem
Dear Don.
I like your enthusiasm for all things connected to your golf therory, it's infectious and it's great to see someone who is full of life and energy like yourself.
I must say this thought, as its something that needs to be said.
Your theory is your theory, just like many other theories that have gone before. They are good for some, not for others. The best theory is the simplest one, as that is what gets people involved and keeps them involved.
Yours isn't that simple.
Yes, the concept is simple, but the actual mechanics Are not and that's why, I believe, people will walk away from your swing before they have even given it a chance.
Also, as soon as your start bringing god into your examples your are discrediting yourself. "God made our bodies do this " etc etc isn't the way to go.
God doesn't exist, it's been proven over and over again. So physics has nothing to Do with god, our bodies have nothing to do with god and the gokf swing certainly has nothing to do with god so it would be best to leave that kind of talk out of your analysis .
Finally, your swing does require you to re route the club at impact, that has been technically proven from video evidence. Your wrists have to bend down at impact with this swing and this is going to cause injury in the long run if people practise it regularly .
Regards
Re Ben H Comment
HI Don, I must take exception with Ben H's Comment. Until i started using your swing I had major problems consistently hitting the ball and shooting low scores. 3 years ago I was a 36 handicap and despite only playing on average 3 out of evey 4 weeks and going on the driving range once a month I'm now down to a handicap of 12. Without all your daily videos and traing aids I would not be at this level, also all my previous back problems have vanished and despite suffering from Osteo Arthritis I have never had a problem with pain in my hands, wrists or fingers. Finally wether you believe in God or not doe's not matter as long as you have faith and to bring this up in this Arena. It is a personnal attack and should not happen. I do not know what beliefs Ben H has but I do not denigrate him for it. Keep swinging Surge
Wrists bending down
Actually the wrists don't have to "bend down at impact" any more with a PPGS swing than any other swing.
The force that causes the hands to be higher at impact than at address is present in every swing. Very few players (even pros) return the shaft exactly to impact position. Right now Sergio is about the only one that I'm aware of.
Edit: Here is a short list of a few more that return the shaft angle back to address position, and a few that come close (DJ is on that list).
http://www.andrewricegolf.com/2010/11/shaft-angle-at-impact-ii/
Also: I don't put too much stock in it's importance. After all some of the best players ever (like Tiger and Jack) are not on that list. Moe Norman should be on a separate list because he extended his arms so much at address that he already had, in effect, the hands up position from the start.
Funny you bring it up though because coincidentally DJ gets much closer than the Tour average of returning the shaft angle at impact to that of address.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dPTQFs2zw
If the hands higher effect that all of us have caused injury we would all be in trouble (no matter what swing we used).
P.S. Nobody ever has proved that God doesn't exist. It's a matter of faith. Even some of the most staunch scientific minds in history, with no agenda in the religious world, like Einstein and Hawking left that door ajar. Einstein more than Hawking. I never will figure out why some non-believers feel insulted at another person's inadvertent expression of faith in conversation, and seem to want some sort of self censorship of casual references to God. It's not like Don is having Bible study in his lessons.
More than one problem
One of the down sides of the computer age we now live in , is the ability of people to hide behind their computer & take cheap shots at others & never have to put their money where their mouth is. All this time I have been practicing the Surge swing & now you tell me its just a theory. This swing is that simple, otherwise I wouldn't be able to do it :). If you think Don's comments about God are out of place here, then I think your comments mocking the faith of others is totally out of place, & I dont know why you are here if you are not happy with Don's THEORY. Just wait till Dick gets home
New Member of the Schitt Family comes to PPGS
Hello Ben H Schitt, it is nice to meet you. Here's your sign!
"God doesn't exist, it's been proven over and over again". Even a semi intelligent individual knows you cannot prove a negative. Only those things which are actually know with facts can be proved, The rest, both of religion and science is left in the category of FAITH. FAITH, The substance of things hopped for the evidence of things unseen. Good man, if it were not for Faith in something other, the advancements of mankind would never have happened. Why would one strive to prove anything they do not believe in. We strive to a higher calling to prove that which we believe, but cannot yet see or prove, just as in all previous advances of mankind. Seek and you will find, But you got to get off you ass to to that. Study to make yourself approved, a workman that need not be ashamed of his FAITH, whatever it's in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UlWPjxKDQ8
Family tree
That's a big family Terry. And multiplying like rabbits.
Wider problem
Ok I will reply to all you Neanderthals in one go.
Firstly smith, the wrists DO have to bend down more in this swing. The only thing your almost correct on is that not all pros return the shaft to the address plane. Your totally wrong that only Sergio and a few others do, a lot of them do, and yes including Dj. Do you know why DJ returns it to the address plane pretty well? Clearly you don't So I will tell you why. Because he doesn't swing the PPGS. . What ! I hear you all cry.. This is but a lie, I hear you all mutter. ... No it's not. DJ swings the club correctly, hence why he still has to get lessons from his dad To try and get him to swing it like he wants. Tell me, if this swing is So simple, why can't Dj do it yet properly when he has his dads undivided attention regularly and has since he was knee high and it's the only swing he has ever knew !?!? Whatever ballony you attempt to counter that with isn't worth your effort so please, don't bother. The evidence is in Dons own words that Dj gets to long, or Dj doesn't do this bit correctly etc etc. it's not easy to do and if he did it he wouldn't have HAD So long on the tour.
Next to this Medley sh1t.
God doesn't exist. I'm not trying to prove a negative because there is no negative.
The bible is nothing more than an astrotheological literary hybrid,
Just like all religious myths before it.
Answer this. Is there any non biblical historical evidence of a person called Jesus, son of Mary, who went round with 12 followers performing miracles ?? There were numerous historians living before and after that time and non of them documented this figure?? Not one.
The proven fact is .....
The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun. In which they put a man called Christ in place if the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun.
It is a roman story developed politically.
Like all other pagan gods Jesus was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment that sought to historize the Jesus figure for social control. It wasn't until 325 ad that the Christian documents were established by emperor Constantine in Rome, and thus began a long history on Christian bloodshed and spiritual fraud. And for the next 1600 years, the Vatican has maintained a political strangle hold on all of Europe, leading to such joyous periods as the dark ages, and enlightening events as the crusades and the inquisition.
Christianity is the fraud of the age. It serves to detach the species from the natural world and like wise each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces human responsibility to the effect that god controls everything and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of divine pursuit.
And most importantly it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish.
I'm sure you won't want to debate this, none if you ever do, you'll just ignore it and carry on talking about faith and all that Schitt with your cronies !!!!
lolol
Mr Ben H Schitt
"Answer this. Is there any non biblical historical evidence of a person called Jesus, son of Mary, who went round with 12 followers performing miracles ?? There were numerous historians living before and after that time and non of them documented this figure?? Not one."
You prove you own ignorance. Yes here is just one example of a first century Roman Historian by the name of Flavius Josephus, he cites Jesus as the founder of the early groups of Christians. Try Google. Or just read a book now and then. You profess to be wise but you're actually too stupid to even realize what you don't know. Good day Mr Schitt, Here's your sign
Google and U-Tube
Every bit of what he said is plagiarized from sources on the internet. He didn't even bother to change the wording enough to make a case that any of it were his own thoughts.
There isn't a sign big enough for someone that considers those sources "proof" of anything.
Just another Troll
I agree, Just sounds like another know it all troll. He thinks he knows the PPGS well enough to criticize it, but fails to realize he doesn't understand it at all.
He also thinks he know the origins of Judeo Christian faith, but again does not even realize how ignorant he is of the smallest portions.
Like they say, A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and lethal in the hands of an Idiot.
Understanding the PPGS
I could make some videos that would diagram exactly what DJ does in his swing that would show a sensible person that his swing is well within the parameters of the PPGS.
Frankly it would be a huge waste of my time because you obviously don't have any interest in understanding any more than you already do.
The fact that DJ goes slightly longer than his dad would recommend is a small part of executing the PPGS. I would suggest you quit listening to people that don't understand the fundamentals of the PPGS and actually study some swings yourself. Draw yourself some lines and angles and play the swings.
You will find that DJ uses a limited turn, flared feet, pre-load heavy right, parallel left alignment, wide knees, narrow stance, neutral grip, vertical shaft at the top from down the line, doesn't go in the SBG, uses the bump, lets the left arm fall toward the toe line, and swings to the T finish. It really can't get much more PPGS than that.
Probably Maybe
Hi Ben. I both agree and disagree with you.
I have had my share of disagreements and alternate perspectives on this site, but have enjoyed the interaction with and thoughts from this online community.
PPGS is a complex swing. True. It is less complex than the rotational swing.
PPGS is easier on the spine. True. It is not necessarily easier on the shoulders.
The movement of the human body with ANY swing is an extremely
complex set of events. True. The mathematical probabilities of such complexity arising and evolving from universal randomness is staggering.
Let's see....where were we? Oh yeah, golf.
At some point PPGS moved from the "theory" stage and into reality.
The outcomes and results, of course, are the crux of this discussion.
And that's where the fun really begins. Look at the results. Simply put, if it's faulty, weak, or inferior, the sports culture (in this case) will simply leave it behind and move to that which is more productive or beneficial.
It is also possible that once tested by the same, it will survive, be adapted, accepted and perhaps even thrive. The marketplace often gets it right...
will see on the PPGS.
Proof
All people with a mind of their own come to different conclusions and different solutions about what should work best for them.
Unfortunately this is someone that really doesn't understand the swing anymore than he understands God and simply pulls his so-called "proof" off of U-Tube videos, and other internet sources, that equally uninformed people make.
Anyone looking for an ultimate RIGHT way to swing a golf club is going to be waiting forever. Just as soon as the newest sensation comes along the way they swing will always become the new perfect standard...Until the next one comes along that does it differently.
A golf swing can't be proved or disproved...And neither can the existence of God...At least not yet. I suppose the steps to Heaven or Hell some day will be a good indicator.
Sorry smith
But I have studied this swing for long enough believe me.
You mention all the things that Dj does to make his the PPGS but all you did was mention what most golfers do.
Dj crosses the line which you believe is being vertical. It is not.
The flaired feet has been done for years by many great golfer. The pre loaded right is what all golfers do to sweep the ball. I guarantee you Dj doesn't pre load heavy right with any wedge to 7 iron.
Wide knees short stance is neglegable, every good golfer bumps or shifts left.
On on and on is a bigger myth than Jesus, it just doesn't happen. And all the false info about rotational golfers spin and dont bump is pure fantasy.
Wether my beliefs are from the Internet doesn't matter, again I'm just trying to point out to your cretins that you don't have to believe all your told. And medley, Josephus has been proven to be fraudulent for hundreds of years. I think you yourself need to look a bit deeper into the Internet and stop using data that has been discredited way before your being.
You see smith and medley, you like to jump on here and give it the big man with everyone who has a different opinion to you, nothing can be said against this swing by anyone. But the facts are that it isn't easy to do, you don't get it by the time you've hit a bucket of balls, and as much as it may well help some people who have back problems, it isn't he saviour of golf, and it will produce other injuries eventually to the right knee and right wrist.
You know it, so get back to me when your agree .
Thank y'all !
What
Not even Don ever said that he was the inventor of the components that make up the PPGS. He just put them together. It's not my fault that you can't see that DJ happens to follow those guidelines.
It's obvious that you are one of those that likes to make up both sides of an argument as you go along. Seems to be a popular ploy on the internet these days.
Make up both sides of an argument.
Attribute the first to the other person even though they never brought it up.
Then offer a counter-argument.
Then proclaim yourself winner of said argument.
You do it over and over again (example: I never mention anything being easy, or anything about "a bucket of balls").
It is a useful technique in one regard. You can never lose the argument because you can go on forever making up arguments and counter-arguments, and changing the subject, and putting words in someone's mouth.
Unfortunately I have better things to do than to play this game. It's been fun but I'm bored with it now. I'm off to talk to people that can think for themselves.
What are you on smith??
Firstly, I was not attributing those or any other of my comments to you. I was putting a few of Dons comments in there for good measure ( the bucket of balls ). I thought you of all people would remember the things Don has said over the years, you basically live your whole life through this website along with your other weirdo surgites so really, what was that last post all about ?? I make up both sides of an argument now so I can't lose??? haha that's comical it really is.
Smith. Have you ever wondered to yourself how many days of your life you have wasted on replying to people like me? I would hate to think of the actual total, as when I come on here ocasionally all i ever see is you and medley and dick and others banging on about some load of old rubbish. Answering every single comment with you're version of the truth. Then haranguing anyone that doesn't say the swing is the best thing since sliced bread.
The bottom line is this, no other pro uses this system for a reason. Dj has just lost his card for a reason (nothing to do with his putting) and as much as I like And commend Don for his thoughts and free advice ( I have bought all the literature before you say anything ), his system isn't what he says it is.
I'm done with you now smith as I have to go and think some more for myself
WOW
Ben for someone that does not agree with this system you sure have wasted a lot time the last few days.
Just tell us what system are you using ?
It seems like you come on here every winter about this time baiting people into arguments.
I would really like to hear which method you use .
Please don't go ben
ben
Please don't go away and leave us all alone. We always enjoy swatting trolls like yourself. It is too cold outside to play golf any way. We don't consider our time spent with you as wasted, just different.
As you seem intent on trying to better yourself, you might want to invest in a writing class at a local community college. They will teach you stuff like how to use a spell checker, and how and when to use capital letters.
In you last sentence to Steve, you said you have to go and think some more for yourself. I think what you really meant to say was you had to go and think some more about yourself.
Please drop back by the site and get swatted again, any time you are feeling really smart.
We always enjoy you.
Thank you
For a reasonable reply, the first one on this site by a normal person.
I agree and disagree with you also.
This isn't simpler than a rotational swing IMO. And that's because it isn't easy to stop yourself going into the SBG. The one thing don is spot on with is how you should tourque the upper against the lower back, this keeps your lower spine in the same position which keeps you over the ball correctly. This point cannot be emphasised enough by Don and isn't, as the PPGS pulls you off the ball easier and again it's a skill not easy to do right away with out practise.
If you can do what the back does when sitting and turning when your standing, you are halfway there. The problem is Crossing the line. If you don't get the club coming down correctly your are getting stuck every time and heading out to right field. That's the biggest issue with this technique. You have to bend the wrists down to strike the ball and mine have been in pain for some time after trying this way of swinging.
Anyway, time will tell as you say
We bend our knees, not our wrists
Ben
Wow, you are certainly a lot more impressed with yourself than we all are. I read all your dribble with amusement.
Most of the crap you wrote is not worthy of the time it would take to discuss it with you. However, I will touch on a few of the points you raised.
As to this swing causing injury in the long run if people practice it regularly, that is silly. Of all the points you raised, that one is the easiest to refute. I play 4 to 6 rounds a week, sometimes 3 or even 4 rounds in a day. I also spend another 8 to 10 hours a weeks working on the approach and short sections of my game. I do this with no pain, and no injuries. End of discussion on that point.
The PPGS is not a theory, it is a system. The Surge Nation is not a religion or a cult, it is a family. We study the teachings of Don, we don't worship him. He wrote the manual, not the bible. This swing might not work for you or others. It works for us. That is why we come here every day. If this is not the swing for you, please do yourself and all of us a great big favor and just go find a site and an instructor who works for you and study their swing. It is a great big world out there. I am sure you can find someone who teaches the perfect swing for you. Good luck. I promise not to come find your site and attack you instructor. Why don't you give us the same consideration.
Lastly, your injection of God into the discussion is a typical liberal tactic. Just throw a bunch of crap against the wall and see if anything sticks. I know you are hoping people get distracted by all the other chaff you are shooting up, and lose sight of the big picture. I can assure you, that won't work well for you on this site. I am sure you think you are the first one to ever come on the site and attack Don, and God too for that matter. Hate to burst you ego bubble sir, you are not. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. You are just the latest. That does not make you anything special. Deal with it.
If you want to go through life thinking all this was caused by two rocks colliding in space, that you came about because a bird had sex with a fish, or that you evolved from a bush, who am I to argue with you. In your case, I don't think you came from a big bang, more like a little thud. I won't waste the time to argue God's existence with you. The Lord tells us not to waste our time throwing good seed into rocky ground. Nothing will grow there. You sir are rocky ground. I won't waste my limited time and energy trying to plant seed in your rocky brain. I will say this, those of us who believe in God know where we will spend eternity. We are comfortable about the future. If we are wrong, and there is no God, then we have nothing to lose. Those of you who believe there is no after life and no God, don't have that luxury. We can afford to be wrong, you can't.
It seems like you like to deal in facts and like to discount theory. I will remind you that the whole idea of evolution is just that, The Theory of Evolution.
I have spent too much time with you already, so I am done thinking about you and your theories. You should go back under your bridge with the other nice little trolls, and leave us to our ignorance. Please don't waste any more of your precious time and your brilliant mind on us Neanderthals.
Didn't you leave out any attacks you might have about how much time we spend chatting about food on the blog? I am sure you could set us straight on what we should be eating and drinking too. You should probably save that whole topic for another time.
While we don't bend our wrists in our golf swing, we do bend our knees.
I hope you don't mind, but I will have you in my prayers tonight, while I am bending my knees to God.
Dick
Sorry Dick
But come on... Are you really falling for all that still?
So what you really believe the world is 12000 years old do you?
Ben, Ben, Ben
This site discusses a style not religion. What you believe should have no credence.
Try to not bring this to the discussion and make all think that you are dumber than a box of rocks. I don't think this even though you don't bring any technical, physics or physiology points to the forum.
One problem round too
Ben, I hope you enjoy any typos and satire delivered in this missive.
Theory? Theory too often is what one wants to believe. No matter who with what ever credentials opines. The PPGS is simple. Complicated as any golf movement is.
So far as God and your opinion that there isn't one does not have any thing to do with PPGS. Physics and physiology when applied to the human body is what it is. If you think God does not exist, more power to you. The point does not matter in the discussion here.
So far as the re-routing of the swing into a steeper path it only reinforces the image of the rock on a string. How you think that the down loading of the centrifugal force causes injury to the wrists in Star Trek terminology does not compute. The lack of down loading and side loading separately or in combination protects against injury.
The biggest injury the golf and other swings bring is the downward loading of the club head/swing device that creates stress on the lower lumbar joints in conjunction with the torque between the lower body and the shoulders.
Gokf swing? Thanks for the typo. Having been a long time editor and cross word puzzler appreciates these
jpx 800's
The original JPX 800's irons 4-pw and gw.
Like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mizuno-JPX-800-4-PW-GW-Dynalite-Gold-XP-S300-steel-shaft-stiff-flex-/190776858887?pt=Golf_Cl...
I considered the Pro, the HD and the newer 825's but settled on the original design. Looked at the hubrid mix too and liked the 8 iron set along with my current hybrib-driver combo. I also opted for different shafts. Bought them with Dynalite XP R300's but had always planned on switching them out with the Rifle Project X 5.0 that I was fitted for at Golf Gallaxy about two years ago ( with the Mizuno fitting system- see video) and then actually bought on e-bay a month ago.
http://www.mizunousa.com/golf/innovation/performance-fitting-system
* this is not an endorsement of this fitting system but I must admit I would love to own that system along with the cart and all those head and shaft options!
Of course I bought the sensicore from another source and then the Enlows was a last minute add on two. It was a fun challenge to tear down and rebuild them to my wants and specs:) Another note is that (currently (the mix can change according to weather and needs) I am going to keep my 53* and 58* to round out the irons along with my Adams Idea 22* hybrid and Adams speedline fast 12- 18* fairway and currently going with the 9* Nickent 4DX driver and X shaft Adila DVS 55 gr. Motivated by the recent video on driver length I re-check the total length of that driver and found it was 44.75 inches. I butt trimmed it by one and it is now 43.75. That should give me a bit more control off the tee. Of course the Enlows went on all those too. Still not sure about the grips and feel. May switch back to my Jumbo Max. Need to see how they perform on the golf course next time out.
Another note: For others reading and wondering, I still highly recommend everyone be fit by a PPGS fitter and club builder. Keep in mind that is what I did and I have been playing with and enjoying that set for three years. However I have developed since then as an amateur club builder and it is a hobby and passion of mine. i have gradually been buying all the tools and books and been practicing on old sets and tinkering with clubs. It's fun and I am still learning every day. Too, I always shop for the best price on all items as it can be an expensive hobby. Love the journey.
jpx 800's & enlow
If I only have one club to try an Enlow grip on what would you recommend? I am thinking of changing out my 5i so I can compare it to my 6i that I normally hit really well.
The 5i or 6i would likely be
The 5i or 6i would likely be fine. As Surge says, the ball doesn't know what club we're using and the same would apply to the grip :) Just try it on the one you like pal. Let us know how it goes.
Here we go again
I haven't written in quite awhile, so to all the regulars I bid you greetings and wish you the best for a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.
When I saw Surge's Daily Video I knew there would be a significant, spirited response to the anti-PPGS contributor. And lo, I was not disappointed. I never tire from witnessing the weak attempts at poking holes in Don's iron clad system; and this is key: it is a system. It isn't just alignment, in-the-mitt-and-up-the-tree, 3/4 turn and straight up over the toe line, ring the bell, nose at the ball, swing up as fast as possible, and on and on...it's the whole concept. This is a system decades in the making and not the ramblings of someone who is focusing on just a couple of discrete components of the swing. Couple this with Don's unique, unassuming ability to convey his ideas and concepts, and you've got something special! Most of the proponents of PPGS have recognized the value of the man and the system. Unique and a treasure each in their own right.
And I just want let the Surge know it works pretty well for me. Over the last two years I've won or been runner-up in every senior event in our town of Champaign, IL., and I'm not done yet. My swing isn't quite as vertical as the Surge's, but I'm about 11o'clock and play with a "light club."
What the PPGS system does for me is to provide a system of fundamentals for my individual swing that enables me to play a reasonable game, in terms of ball striking, without spending hours on the practice range. I no longer wonder "what was I doing the other day when I was hitting it so good?" I now say "this is what I need to do to hit it good." It has led to more consistency and more time to practice the short game, which is where you relly cut strokes.
I know I'm probably "preaching to the choir," with all the Surgites, but hey, let those other guys cast their doubts, and look for balls in the woods.
Thanks Surge!
Bruce Kelso
Great comment
Your next to last paragraph is espcially spot on.
Once we know what makes our swing work it's easy to get back on track if things start going wrong, instead of hitting hundreds of balls and hoping we stumble back onto the right combination again.
Add a video camera and a slow motion video player and it's even more easy to see what's right or wrong. Usually the faults stand out like a sore thumb.
Beautifully said
Well said Bruce. Thanks for sharing what most of us are thinking.
Your video of 12/28/12
Hi Surge!
Thanks again for your videos. I was wondering if you ever considered putting you or DJ's swing on Trackman. I think it would be interesting.
What you say all makes sense to me I just can't do it. Not your fault.
Don's swing has been recorded
Don's swing has been recorded using the FlightScope doppler radar that is close to the same thing as Trackman (can't find their radar technology on their site) minus the high speed camera.
vertical swing
I think of the PPG swing as a single plane swing. It's not truly vertical, but as close as is practical to vertical. I don't know if it's the best swing possible, but I do think it is the easiest to do, both physically and mentally, while maintaing good distance and direction.
Alleuya
Don;t go away mad, just go away.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8x3LCnYZw
Strongly Disagree that PPGS is Awful!
I just turned 60, and only started playing golf when I turned 53. Until this year, I was an inconsistent golfer, hitting some good shots, but mostly poor ones. I have been following Surge's videos for two years now, and last Spring dedicated this year to either learning it or giving up and looking elsewhere to improve my game. My search is over! By mid-Summer, I was hitting the ball more consistently, and most importantly, much farther! It takes time to develop a good golf swing, and the last thing I had to nail down was the outward pressure on the knees. I kept lifting my body too early, as noticed by my golfing partner. Once I saw a daily about the knee pressure, and took it to heart, that last problem went away and I have been hitting longer and straighter ever since. I a convinced the PPGS will allow me to enjoy golf for years to come.
You got it
t51
Your story of sticking in there and finding that last key to make this swing work for you is very common with the PPGS. It says a lot about your determination. I think we all struggled with the swing at first. Then each of us has found that last missing piece to make it all come together.
This swing will allow you to play without hurting yourself for many years to come.
Congratulations on sticking with it. It will pay off for you in so many ways.
Please let the folks out here in the Surge Nation know how your game is going. We always enjoy hearing about each other's games, and even a great food story from time to time.
Happy New Year,
Dick
Enlow Grips and PPGS
The response to Enlow Grips and PPGS has been fantastic. I've been using Enlow Grips on my clubs for a couple of years now. But I must say my game really improved when I attended Don's school in Atlanta. The combination of Enlow Grips and PPGS is the way to go. I had a tendency to lay my club open on the back swing (old habit) and Don immediately corrected this flaw in my swing. The design of the grips really help my arthritis in my hands, give me more control and direct more clubhead mass to the ball. At age 73, I'm playing better golf now than when I was 40. Yes I do play from the senior tee's.
Rubick's Cube
I still have one of those around the house somewhere. I'm with you on your summation though. Every time Surge shows/demonstrates the light club test I cringe a little. I just wish he would take the extra 30secs or so to explain it is not the actual top of the backswing. I've said it many times, this is the Most misunderstood principle of the entire system. A lot of folks think, Vertical means straight up 12 o'clock from a face on view, and they're unwilling to buy the manual for a clearer understanding. I thought the same thing a few years back, until I read the manual and saw the pictures. To any who don't have the Foundations Manual, it's only $20.00 and well worth the price. It fully explains the entire swing in an easily understood manner. This particular principle, the top of the BUS is clearly shown and explained with pictures on page 100 of the manual. Do yourself a favor, if you're even slightly interested in this system, please buy the Manual. It's just slightly over 100 pages and is a real eye opener in understanding all of these dailies.
https://swingsurgeon.com/shop/products/peak-performance-golf-swing-foundation-manual
Glad that he is gone
Steve
Guess he told you. Now he can go back under his bridge for the rest of the season.
Just for the record, I like you shouty grammatical style.
Suits me just fine,
Dick
Enlow Grips and the Vertical Swing
I have all of my clubs fitted with the Enlow Grips. Today I was playing and really not making good contact. I use the PPGS golf system and I asked myself "what am I doing wrong" I fell back into an old habit of trying to guide the club instead of swinging it. I was not swinging vertical. Made the adjustment and my shots became straight and crisp. Moral of the story? When using the Enlow Grips be careful not to over-guide your club. Just swing vertical and let it happen.
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