Club Shaft and the Bump

Seeing how you were playing into what in other parts of the country would be a straight-line wind storm, Robert, very nice round. Happy to hear your new sticks arrived today, can't wait to hear how they go for you.
 As to my day, besides the little knife snafu, it couldn't have been any better.Now like you I eagerly await my new sticks and getting down to business and my 3 year plan. Which Doc told me shouldn't take that long if I continue to practice with the clubs and swingrite.
PMHG

I knew George & I were looking at different clocks but I was waiting on "that fitter"  for clarification.

I wouldn't want to hit against you in any competition

You'er going to love it! Tell me what you think of the grip position if you get the one with the training grip.
PMG!

Cool. That just helps confirm for me that it is good. Thanks.

I don't know if I can explain this very well, but I think of the bump as the same thing I do in a baseball swing.  When swinging a bat at a baseball, I'm standing with my shoulders turned away from the pitcher, and when the ball is coming at me, I kind of step into it to hit it.  For me when I'm swinging a golf club, it's kind of the same feeling, except I keep my foot down.  (Plus the ball is on the ground and there's no danger of getting hit in the head.)  Is that even close to what it is?

Hey Lynn, try this test:

Are you thinking about the bump? If yes, you're overthinking it. :)

I'd respond but then I'd have to apologize to Karl again.

Had an epiphany today after watching Doc show the bump. I had a hard time breaking the rotational tendencies, now I can feel that vertical down and up to the T finsh. Finally this game is fun again especially from the short grass! Surge it took me a full year but I think i have it now, Thanks

RM:  Glad you're liking the new "tool".  I pretty much stay at a "5" since that is where my timing, tempo and lag feel the most natural/comfortable.  If I swing faster my "internal clock" gets all screwed up and bad things happen.   Anyway, take care and hit 'em straight!  R2

Doc:   If you were to shorten a Driver to the 42.5 or 43 inch length, say for someone only 5'-7", how do feel about going with a 210 gram driver head as opposed to the standard 200 gram?  This should be as easy to hit as a 3 wood, only with a 460 cc head.

Hi Janet, happy to see you back! Phooey on the boys, lol

Doc Griffin:  Outstanding video and information!!  Thank you for giving us the low-down on the bump along with the great visuals to go along with it.  Hope your day is a super one!  R2

You just gave a short class in being a blow hard. One more time, this video is not about how to hit with a long shafted driver. This video is about why, IF YOU WANT TO PERFORM A SWING SURGEON VERTICAL SWING, you cannot do so with a long shafted driver.

People are on this site to learn the Swing Surgeon Swing, which is usable for all clubs to hit pain-free, on target shots if you learn the techniques and don't have equipment that gets in your way. If your only interest is getting your hands around a long shaft, go find a different site. If you're interested in learning about and talking about what is ACTUALLY being taught and discussed here, then please take some time to learn a little about it.

Hope you have a great time on your travels (by that I mean get a few rounds in at each stop), when are you planning to do that?
Things have been alright here, not so much golf, the weather has been pretty crappy and not so good for golf, unless you like playing from soggy fairways.
Had a bout with the fats for about a month, so was gettin really frustrated with my game, bit better now, but like always...work in progress. A highlight for me recently was my first eagle! It was on a short 300 meter par 4, and in an unlikely fashion too! The hole tees off on a very elevated tee of about 30-40 meters, tee shot was right of the fairway leaving me with about 30 meters to the hole. thought I overcooked the 60* wedge well over the green, but bugger me dead if it didnt drop about a foot from the pin and roll in! high fives all round!
stuff like that is what makes ya love this game eh?

Robert F.....

As always thanks for input.

Once I progress in lowering number to consistent "clicks"', I should stay at that number ?

Starting pt cow milking soon to increase swing speed...lol

Phillip

U must be the  longdrive champ at your rest home. Congratulations are in order for your success and hard work on your swing

Do you?  And, why are you even on this site if you think longer is better?

So true, Steve, if it'll just go where we want it. I was happy to end the swing session with a couple of good ones that seemed to go where they were intended. Strengthening the right hand will help me out as will continued practice with the swingrite, now that I have the time.
 The experience was a blast, even if i was sweating like I was atop the penthouse roof in the powerhouse,lol

Doc, did you take my advice and double if not triple your swingrite stock?! Looks like everyones getting one now. I should a bought stock!

No confusion, I knew what you were getting at with the chicken wing. I had the same problem for a while with my forward arm. Like you, I have to focus on a full extension of it, at impact, to mirror my address position.

Terry and Steve
 
I think what I going to do is play around with the length on my R9 driver it’s at 45". It has three screw in weight ports. I have a old R7 5w that I bought at a yard sale for 10.00 that is the same way the heaviest weight in the R7 is heavier than the heaviest weight in the R9 and they are interchangeable. I am going to weigh all the weights out of both of them to see if I have wiggle room that way without having to mess with lead tape. I am going to start at 44" first and see how that works at the range for a while and then maybe go down to 43 1/2 and then to 43 and keep notes of the results knowing that the shaft will get a little stiffer. Then go back and discuss doing something shorter with the new driver later. 
 
I was intending on rebuilding the ping but the smash factor on the new driver head was way higher than the ping which equates to more yardage so I could not pass it up.

Plus I have the Ping and APII's sold after I get my Mizunos and new driver back.

I will post my results after I get done playing around.

Hi Craig. Thank you for your comments. I am continually trying to improve my technique and I welcome all the supportive comments that we get from all our friends on this site.
As I have said before, this is a work-in-progress and, as in life, we learn something new every day - especially if we are receptive to constructive comments/criticism.
For the record, my comment that Robert F had told me to 'forget about it' was a slight play on words  (English humour) between us earlier.
I have to say that on a few occasions when I have not been particularly thinking about the 'bump', and it has 'just happened', I have really enjoyed the ball strike. I really, really, really want this to happen more frequently !!!!!
Hasta la pronto - as they say in Spain.
Cheers.
Brian

Good luck, Boog.  You've just eliminated one excuse with the new sticks.  And,yes, I'm jealous.  ;0) 

Doc:  The club fitter was Greg Countnay up here in rainy Michigan.  His business is in Ionia, Michigan.

Jerry

I gave a lob wedge some consideration, but, I tend to hit all my irons high, and my SW is higher than most guys lobs already. Also, the Wishon PCF Micro wedges impart some bite as well. There are a lot of second shots which are coming up 15 to 20yds short of rolling onto the front of the green, that I think a 2 hybrid might help with. Maybe!

Roy, Thanks again for your high recomendation of the swingrite. Got down to 5 last night and still felt in rythym. Did it gradually over about 30 swings. Then I switch to a regular club and take another 10 or so swings. Loving it so far and as I said it has improved my grip and iliminated the slice.

what are you doing on line? shouldnt you be at the post office with a parcel to melbourne? lol I kid, I kid.
Im really looking forward to see if this device can straighten me out for good. I figure if it works as good for me as it does others here on the blog, I might actually break that 80 barrier one day!

I understand. Perhaps we can play some afternoon on a Wed,Thurs or Friday. Just let me know and we'll work something out.

Are you looking at the stopped preview image? That's Doc showing what you'd have to do with a longer club to get it back to the ball. Look at about 2:32 in the video to see the demonstration of a SSGS back swing position.

It was very relaxed and laid back.  Hey, I'm that kind of guy.  He had 3 bottles of water and left one of my towels soaked.  LOL

I will say this, and it's repeating what Boog already said, he was as nervous as a new bride.  I guess that's what happens when you're in the company of a legend.(now that is funny)(and I didn't say LOL)(saying I didn't say LOL isn't the same as saying LOL is it?)

Oh Karl, one from another...sorta. WTF also has an internet meaning. "Where's The Fudge?"
Thought I might save you the trouble on that one.

At least your not  poptarting without the toaster being plugged in!  :)

So you watched the first 10 seconds of that video, rather than watching that Don swings EVERY club that way. That video shows Don Trahan, the Surge--the guy whose swing method is being taught on this site, the guy whose swing method we're concerned with learning--swinging every club in his bag. Understand, we all know that it is correct that if you want to swing a driver with a long shaft, you have to flatten your swing. But that's looking at the proposition backwards. We're here to learn THIS swing method. The Swing Surgeon Golf Swing, which is on a maximum incline vertical plane. In order to do this swing properly, you must have clubs that are the proper length for your body to perform this swing.

Boog, Two thing I wish I had done more so at my fitting were, # 1 take notes. These guys are deep and say lots of great things about club specs and the swing that we hope to remember but don't. Oh you could actually bring a clip board to take your notes on LOL!!! and # 2 take lots of pictures and a side by side with Doc :) These are a golfers memories of a lifetime.

Sounds like you're ready for Doc :)

You already have a range finder Robert. You have an android phone. Golf Shot Tracker is a free download that allows you to measure each shot and select which club you hit the shot with. It will then average your shot distances for each club.

Golf Shot Tracker for Android.

T..... As a follow up, how do you like your 730CL Wishons?

I purchased the 6/7 hybrid and 6/7 iron. Both set up nice. Considering 5 and 8/9 hybrid.

Thanks Phillip

Does lol mean Lots Of Luck? or something else?
MikeW

You are most welcome. I am very pleased with the set and their performance.

Hopefully Doc will be along shortly to answer the more technical part of your question, but I can tell you from experience that he prefers the 355cc heads over the 460cc heads.

Also, it bears repeating and repeating and repeating that the length of your shaft is principally dependent on your wrist-to-floor measurement, not your height. Height is a factor in estimating lie angle, but it is only important in estimating shaft length in so far as it affects how far your hands hang from the ground.

Robert, it so happened that the UPS man came into Doc's place as we were finishing up. He was making a delivery and Doc had a pick up as well. I envisioned him coming into the place in about 7-10 days to pick up a few boxes routed to Pinson,Alabama and nearly got the vapors!
As to the clubs and the wife sharing the bed,I'll have to sleep on that one and get back to you in a couple of weeks,LOL

Fellow Surgeites:

    The weather was HOT today (113F - but I was home long before then) - and so was I !!

     10 of 14 fairways, 178 yard average drive - I missed 2 fariways trying to be a "little too cute" and taking the bad side out of play, which I succeeded in doing a little too well! LOL
      4 GIR
      1 Birdy. 7 Pars, 6 Bogies, 3 Doubles and 1 Triple
      5 Bunkers with 1 "Sandy"
      4 one putts and a chip in for 30 actual putting strokes

      score: 44 + 42 = 86

      Here's one for Steve Smith:

      On the par 4 14th hole I pulled my drive well left, hit the cart path and landed in the rough some 226 yards from the tee.  I had an excellent lie in the rough, but a medium height tree was blocking the direct path to the green. I told myself, "You can hit a 6 iron over the tree and maybe make the green"  Turns out I couldn't (at least not this time) but I did hit the "95% air", just nicked a few leaves and landed about 5 yards short of the green with a hole cut about 5 yards from the front of the green.  I looked the situation over, told myself "A little long on this chip is OK -- just be sure to get over the approach apron and on the green" -- Then a Redneck SA moment occured -- the thought "in the hole woild be better though" LOL -- What followed was a perfect pitch/chip - over the ramp, landed about 18 inches on the green and rolled straight into the hole for my only birdy!

      To add to the enjoyment. the Maintainence Supervisor was making his rounds, and watching me play the hole.  His comment was "Just the way you planned to play this hole - right?" with a chuckle,   I answered, "Of course -- who says you have to hit fairways and greens to get birdies?" LOL!!

     Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

     Amos