Vertical Swing Check Points

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 11:38 -- Don Trahan

Think about hitting the ball with the butt of the club on your downswing. Good idea? Mostly yes. Just remember, golf is a game of angles. And the less angles the better.

The thought of pulling the butt of the club down when you get to the top of the backswing can be a good idea. As long as you make sure, in your mind'€™s eye, you'€™re keeping the club as vertical as you can.

But where do you want the butt of the club pointing? Everybody says, '€œAt the aiming line.'€ Not in the Surge Swing. We aim it at the toe line.

Check out some more vertical check points in this video.

Keep it vertical,

The Surge!

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Pascual Pastor's picture

Submitted by Pascual Pastor (not verified) on

Try straightening your forward leg on your bump motion.
Pasky

Robert F's picture

Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Also, check to make sure that you are settling onto your right leg as you take the club back, and not letting that right leg straighten. The right leg straightening pushes the weight up in the back swing, and when you try to bump (and that right leg bends again), the weight goes backwards rather than forward. Move yourself slowly through the back swing positions in front of a full-length mirror, if possible, to ingrain the feel of settling on the right leg. I do this almost every morning when I'm getting dressed, just to be sure my body remembers.

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Submitted by Kevin Pouder (not verified) on

DJ must have recovered from the bug he picked up last week. He turned on his birdie machine this morning and shot -3 in today's round for a cumulative score of +1. Looks like that is going to be good enough to get Saturday and Sunday tee times.

GO DJ!!!

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Submitted by Johnneswadi (not verified) on

Hi Surge, I am 70 years young & in my 2nd year of using the PPGS golf swing. Myfairway woods & iron shots have become more & more consistant. My driver howeversneaks up on me every 2 or 3 times during a round that has me puzzled still?? Iwill pull my drives dead left 2 or 3 times during an 18 hole round. Please give meyour thoughts as to what I am "probably" doing wrong in my swing.John

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Submitted by Ronnie Down Under (not verified) on

Hi Dave,
It's not Don's technique holding you back...
It's you, your always going to be a high marker like many others out there...
Just enjoy the game....

Ronnie Down Under

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Submitted by BrianF (not verified) on

Hi Dave
I've been there!!!
When I first took up Surge's swing, my handicap went up by more than yours. But I was encouraged, first of all by NO PAIN, and then by reading all the supportive comments by the people on this site.
I'm now back down to my usual handicap but, more importantly, I feel sure there is more progress to come.
I regularly go back to Surge's manual too and I seem to pick up some new thought each time. (Yes, I'm obviously a slow learner !).
So, my message is "Don't give up"
The answer is there somewhere.
Cheers

BrianF

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Submitted by Kelly on

The Surge says in many places that the ideal swing for hitting a golf ball straight would be perfectly vertical swing -- straight back down the line and straight through down the line, like a ferris wheel. BUT, he immediately follows this image up with the caveat that our bodies are not built to execute to make that move: it's impossible. We are swinging at an object that is a couple of feet from our body (the centre of the rotation), so there has to be some lean to the ferris wheel.

The goal is to try to keep the swing as vertical as possible, with the clubhead on the target line as long as possible. But the reality is that the club is only on the target line for a couple of nanoseconds (but longer than if you make a rotational swing). If you watch Don's video on lag that he did the other day, he says that the club is vertical at the top and coming down vertical IN HIS MIND'S EYE, and that he is doing everything in his power to keep it that way. But he also recognizes, because of physiology and the mechanics of the swing, that the club necessarily lays off slightly. That's probably the deviation you're seeing. Remember that this swing is as vertical AS POSSIBLE. It is also vertical in comparison to a rotational swing, which is intentionally "laid off." It is not "vertical" as measured by gauged by a carpenter's level.

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Submitted by Lou (not verified) on

ive been swinging ladies clubs for 6 months or so.  at 69 years and 120 lbs. that seems okj.  i dont hit the ball as far but i do have a lot more control. i would love to have doc adress this issue for swing speeds in the 80 mph range.  the days of true temper sitff steel are long gone for me.....

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Submitted by Boogm (not verified) on

Kevin,
Your hands would be in the same place in relation to the chin/mouth =) toe line, hanging naturally but swing ready. :)

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Sky, If you are on a lap top, it is sometimes hard to get good volume. Check your systems internal speaker settings to ensure that they are set on maximum volume and balanced properly. You will also hear better on a lap top with head phones or ear buds. You can also check at your local Wal Mart or equivalent and find external speakers with volume control boost for under $20.00, which is what I use and never have problems hearing the videos. I also am hard of hearing and close to getting a hearing aid. External speakers are the best and cheapest way to go. Good luck

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Ya Kevin, he really put on a birdy show on the back nine. Great comeback. He's putting way better. 27 on Friday and only 26 putts on Friday. Made several from 6-9 foot range and a 30 footer too.

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Submitted by Pjdami92 (not verified) on

Surge, thanks for all the daily videos.  It really helps put all the practical and working aspects of the PPGS manual together with the videos.  My game has improved a lot since following the surge swing.  One thing I still struggle with is balance and 'reverse-pivot'.  About one in four shots I'm not coming through and I find my weight on my back foot at the end of the swing.  I am using your posture and hands at address checkpoints from your earlier video.  Any tips on curing the reverse pivot?  Thanks, Paul.

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

It depends why he's getting the reverse weight shift. If his right leg is straightening when he takes the club back, then the reverse weight shift happens when that knee has to bend again to try the bump. Straightening the front leg would just exacerbate the problem.

MW, pull out the manual pages and blow up the pictures of the sequential positions if you can. Tape them up by a full-length mirror and try to match yourself, slowly, to what Don is doing in those photos. When you start to get the positions, move yourself from one to the next and keep increasing the speed as you can handle it.

Really check your setup and be sure that you're settling onto the right leg in the back swing. That allows you to laterally move the weight forward onto the left leg and avoid the reverse weight shift. Also be sure that your feet aren't too far apart or too squared, as either of those can give you problems getting the weight shifted.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Dave,
Since you have been trying to use this swing for that long the problem you are having is more than likely not something that you don't know about the swing that any of us can tell you, but you may not be doing it correctly.
The very best thing you could do would be to see one of the certified instructors.
Short of that videos of your swing should really help.
I don't know if you have videos of your swings. If not that would be something that you need to do. It's amazing how different our swings are than we think they are.
Even if you have looked at video of the swings maybe another person's perspective would be in order. If you put the swings on U-Tube some of the guys on the blog may be able to help you (IF you want the help).
The track record so far of people changing the things they are not doing correctly, based on what others have told them, is not very good to be honest.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Lou, Doc has addressed this issue in the past. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, the driver which Doc uses has a ladies flex shaft in it, a nice pink one,  My driver swing is less than 80 and I use the equivalent of senior/ladies flex graphite in all my clubs. He also recommends that you remove the 3-wood from your bag, along with 3,4, and maybe even your 5-iron, and replace them with hybrids. The lighter flex and higher loft of the common ladies Drivers and other clubs would serve most seniors better. Another thing I have found, Ladies equipment is generally much lower in cost than senior equipment, and is often close to the same playing characteristics, for off the rack equipment.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Watch again Phewitt. He repeats a couple of times that it his intention to fight to stay vertical but he knows it will be slightly off. Watch it again and liston carefully. He speaks very fast ans we must liston fast too. There is no perfectly vertical and he understands that clearly. If you watch his teaching videos you'll find that he explains the slight tilt several times. It is still very vertical as swings go.

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Great points, Deb. I like to feel like the weight rolls forward from the ground up. Keeping SLIGHT outward pressure on the knees (enough to keep them stable, not so much that you're actually pushing yourself outside your back foot in the takeaway) up until you ring the bell, and then moving the weight from the back foot to the front foot is important. Also, you might focus at the beginning of the takeaway on the feeling that someone is standing directly behind you and pulling your right hip and shoulder straight back away from the toe line. That keeps the weight over the right arch rather than letting it get outside the right foot, which can happen if you're focused too much on taking the club back (especially if you were taught the "low and slow" takeaway originally).

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