Quantity vs. Quality

Lynn
I am dissapointed that Pinnocchio wasn't a comeback line
I feed you guys these lines & you come up with something better
How to fall over vertically!
Don may do a video on that
Jack

Mick

Sorry to hear about your situation.

We have several folks on the blog with hand issues. You might hear from Robert, Ronnie, or one of the other guys. One of them might be able to point you in the right direction. I think they have all bedded down for the night.

Try checking back in the morning to see if someone has any ideas for you.
Dick

Question:
Can my right (back) elbow be a bit HIGHER than my left? When I am at 12:00 at the end of my backswing, my right elbow is a bit higher (maybe an inch or so) consistent with my spine angle. If I stand up out of my stance, the elbows are parallel to the ground...

Of course she's fine. We already know she's a babe. Tina, check out picture #1 at this link.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

You had better keep being a good boy. We want you back to your irascible self ASAP. Overdo it and you know the consequences. From one who knows and has the scars to prove it!Heh heh heh. Chipping and putting will lower your handicap and your scores, guaranteed. Hope KP returns to the roost to visit his squirrel chomping rooster dad. Know the feeling Dick, my nearest progeny is spread all over the planet, 3 daughters in UK, 1 son in Germany and one son in New Zealand. They may be far away, but in our hearts and prayers.
Just thought, the cotton gloves are magic on wet grips, suppose they would be good with sweaty hands too, hmmm.
I love the short game, and it takes pressure off your long game Dick, Win-Win
Ralph4golf's comment on fish bait? I thought he was buried at sea, then his followers can go and dance on his grave.
Become the chipping and putting Guru and then you can share your findings with us all.
Keep behaving and get well quicker.

Hi MickJo, I where a glove on both hands when I play. Normally I where normal golf gloves. If you go to one of the larger golf outlets like "Golf Galaxy" you'll find thicker padded expensive golf gloves that may help. Too, I came across some comfortable yet thicker more cushioned 'work' gloves at Sam's Club the other day that I'm going to give a try on the golf course soon. So I'd suggest you consider all glove options at both sporting good stores and gardening shops. They don't have to be 'golf' gloves to be workable on the golf course. Too, if she doesn't play them already, you might consider graphite shafts for ALL her clubs including the irons. Less vibration with more of a damping feeling and softer on the hands when stricking the ball. Good luck and I'll be reading to see if any more good ideas come out here or else where. Keep reading this blog daily as several of us have hand and other physical issues and good ideas come accross here frequently.

The toe line is not 12 o'clock and this is a common misconception. The toe line is the outer edge of the tree. At this point the shoulders have stopped turning but have not reached 70* yet. As you lift the club up and the elbows come into the equilateral triangle, you have moved the hands inside the toe line 3 to 4 inches which puts the shaft just over the soft part of the shoulder about 3 to 4 inches from the right ear. This lift also moves the shoulder about another 5* to ** which makes the total shoulder movenment in the neighborhood of 70*. This new position is also called the inside edge of the tree. Surge did a remake of the video clarifying that the tree has two sides and the going inside the first edge is not getting into the SBG. This is the 12 o'clock position. If the 12 o'clock position was indeed the toe line, then the club would be right up over our heads at the top of the back swing and that ain't no swing. When standing straight up, the 6 o'clock position is about half way between the ankles and toes. This means that 12 o'clock is right over the middle of the head. However, as you assume the 30* spine tilt, this moves the area of the shoulder about 3 to 4 inches off the right ear into the 12 o'clock position. The position that you described above is the correct position and congratulations on finding it. I can't tell you how many of the "PPGS" people that I work with do not understand this position and concept.

Bob

The Beverly Hillbillys reminds me of some of the folks in my family who came into money.

Not too many things funnier in life than a redneck with money.

Dick

Steve,

I also play a couple of courses with no driving range. What I do is play the first hole in my mind with my practice swings before going to the first tee. In my last 5 rounds, all of my tee shots from the first tee have been near perfect. After that, all bets are off. I'm trying to get to where I mentally rehearse every shot, but I have too many senior moments.

Kevin

T,

Does that mean that your head and rear exchange places when you go vertical? LOL!

Kevin

Now you've gone and done it! You're getting assigned extra homework.

Kevin

Are you wearing gloves when you are swinging your new "club?"

Dick

I need more victims - those two are onto me
Jack

Amos

Great report, as usual. Good recovery from a crazy start.

Sounds like you got it cooking towards the end. Maybe you should play the back side first.

On the 9 coming up short. You could always do what I do when my 9 won't quite reach, and just go get your 8. LOL.

You know us Marines are fond of those bull dogs. In my present physical condition, I probably remind Kelly Jo of a bull dog. I have a big head, I love to lay around and eat a lot, my ears are getting floppy, my legs are too short to run fast, and I drool a lot. Not to mention, I am soft and furry.

I am finally going to hit the rack.

Glad I caught your report before I turned in.
Dick

Nope. The elbows should be level with the ground when you are still in the address position. If your right elbow is higher, then you have the classic "flying elbow".

Doc: At address I always try to have the club flat on the ground (sole parallel with the ground) then I get in my ready position. I always assumed that then if I swing the club in the same plane when striking the ball the club sole would be parallel to the ground giving me more club face to work with for striking the ball. Is this correct? The reason I ask is that many other guys I play with (some very good) have the heel of the club resting on the ground and the toe up. Also I noticed watching some of the recent PGA tournaments that at least some of the players with their drivers at tee off have the toe of the club pointed in an upward angle. On TV it is too hard to see if they are doing the same with their irons, but is obvious with the TV shots from behind them at tee off.

On some of my longer clubs even though I try to address the ball with the sole flat, I still have a little angle up at the toe..... if the sole is supposed to be parallel with the ground does this then mean the lie of my longer clubs need adjusting. Sorry for all the questions, but I see some very good players addressing the ball with the toe in the air and I am wondering if my assumptions are wrong.

Jerry

Robert

I am reminded every day just how blessed I am. I will be working at home and mold inspections until I can no longer get into an attic. I am ok with that. I love what I do.

I am blessed that I can usually make my schedule accommodate my love for this frustrating game.

I love the summer months out here. Some times it does not get dark until @ 9:30. God does work in mysterious ways. The manager I work for at the course just asked me today if I can start working on Saturdays instead of Sundays. I told him no problem. I will work this Sunday and then make the change. He thinks I am doing him a favor. In reality, it will work out better for me. Sundays have been real long days lately. I get up early, go to church, and then work at the course till dark. That leaves me no free time on my only day "off." With the change to working at the course on Saturday, I will get off at @ 3pm.. That leaves me plenty of time to go play a round afterward. After church on Sundays, I will be able to go do some chipping and putting or even play a round if it ain't busy.

I hope the evening practice and the morning rounds work out for you. If I had to choose between playing 9 holes twice a week or 18 holes once a week, I would pick playing 9 holes twice. I have always believed that helps keep me better than only playing once a week. I hope I never have to chose between those two options again. I would rather just do both. LOL

Life just keeps getting better.

As I always say, "Life is really simple, if we will let it be."
Dick

Dick Lee:

THAT is SUPER funny -- when it happens to someone else!! ROFLMAO!!

Reminds me of the time that one of our Church elders made the comment about "never being able to go to the store without buying feminine hygiend products" -- he had a wife and 4 teenage daughters

ALso - -I am sure you ahve heard the Rush Limbaugh plan regarding forming a number of all women battalions arranged to have their periods at the same time? The idea being that when they have raging PMS - just point them at the nearest enemy!

Try to keep your SANITY

Amos

Thanks Surge, for this video. Once I'm loosened up, I also practice in this manner. I do so with a slight twist sometimes, instead of visualizing one of the courses I actually play, I'll play a round on a course I'll never be fortunate to play but only dream of. I've spent many an afternoon walking the links of the Old Course,Augusta National and the like.
Boog

On the other hand, my mother, who spent many years in a house as the only woman among 4 sons and a husband, often said she dealt with our PMS--Petulant Male Syndrome. ;-)

Steve,
Other than to confirm that I am NOT Janet, I'm leaving this one alone! At least for now, the B shall remain unexplained to protect the guilty. :)

Lynn

He has gone from golfing with no glove, to one glove, now to two gloves. Next, he will be hanging gloves from his rear view mirror.

He is out of control with the whole glove thing. We might have to do an interdiction

Too much of a glove thing, I mean too much of a good thing,
Dick.

Coach

I keep hearing the theme music from Mission Impossible when I am reading your posts.

Look for a wedding band, or if your are right handed look for a watch, they will probably be on your left hand. There might even be an "H" on the hot knob and a "C" on the cold knob.

That will only work if you have indoor plumbing.

Dick

Bob

Not really. You just shoot a couple who aren't doing their fair share right up front. That puts the rest of them in the mood to work real hard.

That concept works well with people too.
Dick

Bob
The old Husquvarna is indeed a TREEMENDOUS club to have in your bag ; - ) Got to watch if it gets stroppy and kicks back though hahahaha!

Thanks Surge, great points on practing in a benificial manner. Terry really put it well. I agree and practice that way too. I have commented a couple of times in the past that it takes me 2 to three times as long to finish a small bucket of balls than most knock out a large bucket. I not only go through the complete on course senerio going from driver to hybrids and then an appropriate iron but I go through the complete set up routine for each ball, starting from behind picking a target and then doing the two step as I set up parallel left,etc. Then after hitting a shot I'll go right into another shot the same way. Yes, I never see anyone else doing that. When I go to the first tee I continue to use the same method. It has served me well.
Btw, it is a less painful way if you have arthritis or other hand issues that make banging hundreds of balls unrealistic.
Way to go T Medley. You were on target as usual
my friend:)

Hi T Medley and Robert,
Thanks for your comments :)
T, you mentioned a link but I didn't see one to follow. Can you post it in a new comment? I think we've used up the old one!

Dragonhead

I share those scars of "knowledge" with you. I love everyone of them. They remind me of some great and in some case terrifying chapters in the book that is my life. I would not go back and change one of those stories. If I changed one of them, then I would not be who I am. I am sometimes not so sure of who I am, but my family and friends seem to like it as it is. I guess I will just leave well enough alone.

Your story about your youngins being scattered around the world reminded me of how great technology can be. I am sure that when you were in the service it was like when I was in. My dad was lucky to get a letter from me once a month. Now, we can talk to the boys and grandkids several times a week and usually get them all on web cam on a regular basis. It is not the same as holding my grandsons in my arms, but at least I get to see them and talk to them. I can't have them forgetting who their Pop Pop is. When David, who is 3, reaches out and touches the computer screen and runs his hands over my face, I just melt. When he kisses the computer good night, I have to hold back the tears. I don't usually make it.

I don't think the fish will eat that crap. It will just lay on the bottom and rot. Good riddance.

I will say that I am getting better at reading those greens and chipping already. Dad is already saying that he may have to hurt himself so he will be forced to work on his short game. I hope this will work out in helping my short game. That might just take the last bit of pressure off my long game.

Dick

Yes Thomas, politicians often talk in the way you admire & they are usually full of shite, trickery & smokescreens
I prefer a T-Bone steak on a slab of bread instead of a pretty plate of poofy artistically arranged cordon bleu whatsits
You enjoy a well presented white collar 100 while we get on with the blue collar real scores
Checklist - politics, food, golf - Oh no humour

Dragonhead's neighbour knocked on his door at 2:30 AM
Can you believe that - 2:30 AM
Lucky for the neighbour that Dragon was still up playing his bagpipes
Jack

That's almost exactly how I played last week Amos. About 6 over my average. My hands continue to be tender yet healing little by little. my Goal is to get back down in the low 80's and break 80 again over the next few months. Just gotta putt like you. Thanks for the report. At least you played right. I'm also going to look into playing in te early mornings too. We have a local muni that lets guys go off just at sunrise.

Hey Steve,

He could always choke down one of your fried skunk or porcupine sandwiches as well. :0)

Bob

Thanks a lot, T.

Now you have me questioning all of my swing. I have the full-length mirror at right angles to another half-length one, so I can see both toe-line and face-on. Watching both is not pretty. When I get the right position down-the-line, I'm off in the face-on view. When I get that one correct, the other is off. For example, when I appear to be almost perfect face-on and look at the down-the-line mirror, my hands are almost over my head. When I concentrate on getting my hands over the shoulder and then look at the face-on mirror, my upper body is leaning slightly toward the target. I'm going to have to figure out how to get both correct - at the same time.

Kevin

Thanks Doc for the explaination........... so in other words, just because I have the sole flat on the ground at address, it does not mean that the sole would be flat or parallel to the ground at the very bottom of my swing.... is that correct? And further that would because of the flex in the shaft? Looking forward to your video on the subject.

Lynn

That is a sticky subject with me.
Dick

Robert

Thanks pal.

Once again I was not even here and I get the blame.

This is almost like being married.
Dick

Dick,

Absolutely. I can't be hurting my connection to golf ;-)

Kevin

Doc

My friend you are getting very close to talking about the 75" driver which we decided we would have to hit from a milking stool.

Just saying,
Dick

Lynn 8 [a great number in Chinese, ie 4 x 2 = 8 heh heh heh]
Yep noticed Gainey with two gloves on at the Zurich. Then I have been wearing two cotton ones for a couple of days practicing with wet grips. Works for me ; - )

As for Kevin's steel toed boots, maybe that is why Chinese women of old had bound or 'Lotus feet', like my wife's Grandmother on her father's side? ; - ) Ain't fashion strange.
Keep it vertical and straight.

You may be Ralph to everybody else, but you'll always be Frank with me! Glad to hear the report! Thanks.

Tina, The senior moments are getting worse. I corrected the last comment with edit, but here it is again. It's just the classic swing clock pictures, which show the 12:O'Clock position from down the line and over your shoulder.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Dick

We now have our own Kevin "2 gloves"Mc...No...wait...someone named Gainey already did that.

Lynn42

Thanks Surge! Great reminder that how we PRACTICE is extremely important to how we play. It was a few of the guys here who got me started with the habit of playing a course in my mind when I'm on the range. It makes practice both more fun and, I think, more effective.

Also, I really need to listen to that last point of yours. All too often I am really finished practicing and have just hit a beautiful shot, but I have a few more balls left and I decide to hit them and it means I too often don't leave on that good note. I'll think of it as paying forward to the next guy to come along to practice. ;-)

Oh, and I'm back from Austin. Good to see Kevin and Steve are safe. Jack, you can stop blaming me now.

Jack

LOL...You?...Being anyone's little puppet? That's akin to imagining Osama as Mother Theresa.

I must admit I'm now heading to the course with a smile on my face.

My new swing thought...Innocent...Jack. Nahhh, that may not work very well. Tough to master a vertical swing when you're falling over sideways laughing hysterically.

Lynn42

My whole life is becoming one gigantic senior moment. For every new fact I learn, two old ones are lost.

Sounds like my mother, except for the comment. I also have 3 brothers and she was the only woman. Petulant is a most apt term :-0

Doc I have one more follow up question if you don't mind. So when a club fitter determines the lie angle for a club for any particular person does he use the static lie angle at address, or the lie angle that would happen (adjusting for the droop) during the swing?