Importance of Ball Position

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 16:10 -- Don Trahan

At a recent Swing Surgeon Golf School, two of my students were positioning the ball way back in their stance. Where you position the ball is crucial to your setup. And remember, "the setup determines the motion."

Any number of things can happen as a result of bad ball positioning. You will see in the video just what I'm talking about.

If you are not aware of your ball position on every shot, you are wasting shots.

Keep it vertical,

The Surge!

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Submitted by TeeOn13 (not verified) on

GBSAPS?

R2 please define...

Phillip

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

I think there was a lot of good DJ could take from Harbour Town. It was a crazy weekend, though, for sure.

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Submitted by Bruce on

Don, one of My problems is I tend to hit the ground before I hit the ball. To try to correct this I thought if I moved the ball further back toward My left heel it should help making contact with the ball first, especially with the short irons (# 8 through the wedges). Any suggestions??

Bruce

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Submitted by Jeff on

Good plan. Thanks. I knew someone would come up with something. And by the way, I matched the longest throw. That was the last throw....imagine that!! My wife doesn't think I'm crazy... just stupid.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Dick,
I have no idea what she was thinking and I was sitting in the next room. She should have known better or called me or something.
Cut fingers are one thing but this was just chewed up and full of dirty looking stuff.
She just said she thought the fan was farther up in the machine than it was and she didn't want to "bother" me.
I told her that given a choice of cleaning the lint or sitting in the emergency room next time I would choose the lint.

Edit: It only takes a split second of not thinking to do something stupid. It is more likely to happen at home than even on dangerous jobs like I have had. It just seems like people throw safety out the window at home and take shortcuts they would never take on the job. I've known a lot of coal miners that worked safely with heavy equipment at work that ended up getting hurt at home doing something they would have refused to do at work.

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Howdy Dick,

The boss came in and videoed me swinging a rescue 4 after work today. I was a little laid off, but the swing looked very close to DJ's. I hit them extremely straight with a nice high loft. Outside, the ball probably would have carried 180 with a nice roll out.

Even though he teaches a rotary swing, my boss is being very supportive of my swing and gave some really good pointers today.

Just thought you would like a report, even though it didn't actually include info from a real course.

Hit'em Long and Straight,
Bob

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

Bob

You think pretty quick on your feet pal.

Count me in as one of the many,
Dick

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Submitted by Doc Griffin (not verified) on

The reason is that you are coming into the ball rather than up on the ball so it comes out lower. As stated below, the thing that you have to be carful of is over rotation of the hands and hitting it left. The shot has to be more of an abbreviated swing with a straight back and through motion and pretty much hit it "dead" handed. Need to hit it further? Take more club to do the same shot.

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I do wish a lot of the side conversations could move to the Inner Circle boards, but I know that not everyone is an IC member. It would make those boards more active, though, and keep this area more focused on the swing and such (with occasional mentions of food-hey, it fits when the blog is about health stuff ;-) ). A totally dry golf blog would be boring, but yes it does have a way of getting out of hand sometimes. The Member Forums have a much better structure for those sorts of conversations.

Again I think that if it's possible, it would be great to have a tiered Inner Circle where a nominal monthly fee would get people access to the boards only, and the bigger IC functions like PAL and the upcoming Shot Tracker/Handicapping system would be for the full membership only. It would keep down the trolls (who generally won't actually pay even a small amount of money to get access), but still make it a place where the regular people can easily afford to take part.

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Interestingly, watching some of the coverage from Harbour Town this weekend, they showed Jason Day muff basically this same shot--attempting to punch the ball down the cart path gap in some trees to get up near the green. Faldo, in discussing how to hit the shot and what Jason did wrong, said that you have to be careful about closing the club face when you do it, because you can completely smother the ball. Exactly what Jason did to leave his third shot dead behind a massive tree well short of where he was trying to get it.

Of course, I'm sure given the circumstances, you practice the shot more than Jason Day. :)

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We like you unstable, though, Dick.

Oh, you were talking about your golf swing. Yeah, that's a good idea.

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You don't have to subscribe to the daily responses by email, Amos. You can turn that on or off at the top of each day's comment chain. Also, in terms of email, I use Mail's Smart Mailbox feature to pull the Disqus emails into their own chain. If it's a problem, you could also just set up a separate free email account for your golf stuff to separate it from other email (personally, I have 8 email addresses for different purposes). If a chain devolves into useless arguments (as happened recently), you can always unsubscribe from it.

Alternately, you can read the comments in RSS feed format. Terry or Kim can tell you about that (I'm not a fan of RSS feeds myself, so I don't use it).

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

As Steve says, see a doctor. Don't fool around with an injury like that. You could do yourself real major harm.

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CervezaFria:

Basically, yes. After missing several putts that I would normally consider "near gimmes" -- or that I would expect to make 85% to 95% of the time, and since it was a slow day, paly ing alone and about 5 open holes behind me, I took a couple of minutes to re-hit some of the putts.
I discovered that the putts were starting out on line, with the correct speed, but consistently falling off to right as they slowed down near the hole. On careful examination of my set up and alignment, it appeared that the alignment was good, but hten I noticed I was holding the face of the putter slightly open. I would say only a degree or two - but I am not sure you can detect that tiny amount -- so maybe closer to 5 degrees.

Nevertheless, as soon as I "squared" teh face to the target line, the putts started falling once more. Of course, in a "real" competition, you could not practice on the course, except for match play.

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

Amos

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Coach Joe

I am totally in agreement with you on that. When I get the money put aside, I am going to spend the time and money to get with one of you folks and get the bugs worked out.

I know that is the right thing to do.
Dick

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Submitted by Boogm (not verified) on

Roy,

I think I missed your post about GBSAPS that Dragonhead mentioned I would appreciate if you enlightened me please.

Boog

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tony

I echo your thoughts.
Dick

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Roger, I'm just a little north of you in N.E. Ohio. I agree this spring weather sucks. I too am finding myself in that worse score transition phase this spring. Like you, I've committed to trying to be 100% Surge, even if that means some lousy scores during the learning phases. I was sort of a half and half last year when I first found the site and began to study it's principles, but it's time for the full conversion this year. I just wish our lousy weather would ease up and allow some practice. I'm due to tee off in 2hrs for the first round of a Tues eve 9 hole league, but, according to the weather report and a look outside, the dark clouds are moving in and bringing the rain. I wish I knew, how the weather knows, the exact times I have play or practice scheduled. Someone has to be leaking the information. It can't just be coincidence.

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Hey, it's a golf question, Janet. Not totally off topic. ;-)

I would take it to a professional, but it shouldn't be too difficult and I don't believe it would ruin the putter as long as they don't screw with the balance of the head.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Hey Robert,
Another shot I practice much more than would normally be practiced (just because I really think it is a fun shot) is to stand with my back to the target with the ball straight to the left of my left foot. The club face has to be facing just right of the target to account for the hook or draw the shot will produce. I take a pretty full back swing just like the ball was in it's normal position in front of me but come around and hit the ball on the other side of my left foot.
It will usually produce a hook that I have to account for but I can hit a very long shot with no room for a normal stance and back swing. It probably takes less than 2 feet from the obstruction to complete the swing in this manner and with a more limited swing producing less distance I have done it with only a few inches from the obstruction, such as a fence where even left handed is no help.
Playing partners always look at me like I'm crazy when I line up for this shot if they haven't seen it before but it is actually quite easy and I don't ever remember messing it up. It's not something that's usually going to get me on the green but it gets it close most of the time and is certainly better than taking an unplayable like I have even seen a few pros do when faced with the same shot.
It absolutely has to be practiced though.

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Doc

You are right. When you are doing the right thing, is when the world rises against you the worst.

We are called to be different from the world.

Lets do it,
Dick

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