Posture is Key On a Downhill Stance

Tue, 04/19/2011 - 10:31 -- Don Trahan

One of our bloggers was curious as to how to approach a shot when you have a downhill stance. The key? Posture!

Whenever I find myself on a downhill lie, or uphill for that matter, I always approach it with good posture. When I get into my athletically ready position, everything moves down together, just like a baseball player getting ready to field the ball.

I stepped on a chair to simulate a downhill stance, and even though my feet were closer together than they normally would be, I still managed to keep my balance because of good posture.

Keep it vertical,

The Surge!

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Dick Lee's picture

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Kevin

Now, that is what I am talking about.

It is great when the light bulb goes on. It was a hard lesson to learn for me too. When I first caught on to slowing down my BUS, I took it too far. I got it really too slow. I was basically stopping at the top. Too much of a good thing. When I started using the Happy Birthday tempo and the trigger for the FUS of the left shoulder hitting my chin, it clicked for me.

Now, if only I could get that same feeling to work for me with the woods.

Sounds like you are ready to hit the course.

Remind yourself to do what Surge says. Put that mental memory into your mind's eye. Don't forget what made it work for you, even if you need to write it down.

Feel the swing, swing the feel.

When I heard what Surge said about the side hill shots, I just made myself a mental note that the ball will want to go toward the uphill side. Simple things for simple minds. It works for me and it stuck with me.
Dick

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Brian

Sounds like it is starting to come together for you. I know what you mean about playing with a bad back. Isn't it great how much golf we can play with the Surge Swing and still have NO pain.

Pretty darn nice game pal. Glad Ronnie's comment helped you. I too have found the guys on this blog to be a wealth of information. Some times it is a real simple short post that will make the light go on in our minds.

Great putting by the way. Averaging 1.5 putts a hole is getting there. Amos is real great about giving us detailed stats in his after action reports. I think he would be proud of you for that putting. And, no dreaded 3 putts. God knows I hate to 3 putt. I would rather drive my cart into a pond.

Glad your team got the V. Sock it to them again next week. Any time we can do it right two or more times in a row, that is setting a trend. You will get inside their heads and keep them off balance. They will be trying to figure out how that guy with the "strange" swing is clipping their tail feathers. I look forward to a great update after your next round.

Thanks for the report,
Dick

Robert F's picture

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You know I've been on a diet, and I was doing pretty well losing weight until you guys started up this whole food thing. It's hard to control your portions when you like food as much as I do. I still say a box of pasta is one serving.

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Submitted by Ron Holcombe on

Surge, I too, would like to hear your thoughts on shots that are downhill towards the target. I've always heard move the ball back in your stance, take one more club and choke down on it. Also try to align your shoulders/hips/knees parallel to the slope. Usually, I leave one of the adjustments out, but even when I don't, it's still a difficcult shot for me - I usually hit it fat. Your thoughts, please. Ron Holcombe, Phoenix AZ

Dick Lee's picture

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Coach

I am going to start subtracting the number of balls I find during a round from my final score. With my new score keeping system, I shot a 56 on my last round.

Keeping it vertical, and sorting out my balls, in Oklahoma
Dick

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Doc

Hope your trip to the hospital and back was quick.

Thanks for the info.

I am going to show my redneck here. Is the e6 a Bridge stone ball?

Dick

Dick Lee's picture

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Steve

You have got to keep as close an eye on that boy as I do with dad.

Dad plays only Bridge Stone. I guess I know why now. I always give any I find to him. If I am going to try the e6, I will have to spray paint them to hide the logo.

Would not be the first time I played with a spray painted golf ball. It just makes the golf snobs go nuts when you do that. I know it probably causes control problems, but heck I don't have much control any way.

In golf, as in most of my life, I am pretty much out of control nearly all the time.
Dick

Dick

Steve Smith's picture

Submitted by Steve Smith on

Yep, right up until the potted plant shattered. I was actually kidding but I do have too many true stories of breaking things around the house in an attempt to learn one sport or another to begin to tell them. Lets just say that since taking up golf the people at the lumber yard know when they see my truck coming to get out the glass to replace windows with.LOL
Kevin asked what a "flier lie" was. I figured out what they were after the second broken window. I learned that my pitching wedge went much farther back toward the house from the flier lie in the field than it did going down there from the shorter grass in the yard.LOL

Robert F's picture

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Yeah, terminology can be slippery that way. Like when Steve Smith and I had a problem with differing understandings of a one-piece takeaway. Hope I didn't sound too grumpy in my answer.

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Steve Smith:

I do not hate the Pro V1 - but with my slower swing speed, it goes no further and palys no better than the Bridgestone Treosoft. So why pay twice the money for no gain?

If you have the swing speed/power to handle it, then the Pro v1 is a great ball.

We have a system to "re-cycle" balls to a junior golf program at my course. I constantly amaze some people when I donate Pro V1 I have found into that program.

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

Amos

Steve Smith's picture

Submitted by Steve Smith on

Who would go anywhere without a couple of buckets, a rifle, an axe, and a chainsaw? A tree was across the road last week on the way to work at 4:30 in the morning. Couple of zips with the chainsaw and wasn't even late. ;-)
The rifle comes in handy because if the tree is hollow you never know what edible animal might run out. Hard to beat squirrel and dumplings.
Hey, true story. A few months ago I hit a doe on the way to work and got out and threw it in the back of the truck and headed back home to hang it up until after work as I was only a mile from the house. When I got home I opened the tailgate and in the dark I couldn't see the deer so I got up in the truck bed and realized it was gone. I wonder what that deer thought when it woke up going down the road in my truck?

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Submitted by Marklthomas (not verified) on

It looks like the Surge has demonstrated a side hill lie, not a downhill lie as Greg requested. The basics of good stance and posture will still apply however.

Mark T.

Dick Lee's picture

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Kevin

Just changed channels to the Food Network.

Kelly Jo made me nice big salad with baby spinach, tomatoes, carrots, and grilled chicken (the non chocked kind).

Root beer float to follow.

I would say "eat your heart out", but either one of us just might.
Dick

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

What kind of Pinnacle?
Pinnacle Gold Distance, Pinnacle Power Core, Pinnacle Gold FX Long, Pinnacle Gold, Pinnacle TIExtreme,Pinnacle Gold FX Soft, Pinnacle 392 LS, and Pinnacle Exception all perform differently.
I play with all different kinds of golf balls (whatever is handy to get in the closet).
Of the Pinnacles, which are all pretty low on my list, basically practice round material, I like the Exception the best.
None come remotely close to as good for me as the (hated on this blog for some reason) Pro V1.

Have you read this article?
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Dick Lee's picture

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Lynn

There are some really great people in this world.

I love her work, and her spirit.

I will say that with two sons on active duty, I don't ever want to have her work hanging in my home.

I can only say that it must be a great comfort to those Gold Star families to have someone put that much love into a portrait of their heroes.

I don't have any problem admitting that this video made me cry. I did find it sent me to bed feeling that my lot in life is not so bad. It reminded me that there is always someone or some family out there who is bearing a much bigger cross than I.

Dick

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Dick

Thanks for your reply. I certainly agree about the NO PAIN swing. I'm sure I wouldn't be playing now if I hadn't found Surge's site.

I have to say that the flattering putting stats were due in no short measure to a number of reasonably good recoveries from positions that my 'chopping wood' shots had placed me. Hence my thanks to Ronnie.

Cheers
Brian

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Kevin

She is well paid. That is one thing about her office. You get paid for the job you do, not which bathroom you use.

Plus she has me to come home too. That should be payment enough, no matter what you have ever done wrong in your whole life.

Dick

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Submitted by George F.Weinstein (not verified) on

Surge,your lesson was about sidehill lies but I believe the question was about downhill lies which I believe are the toughest lies to hit from and really was not answered in this lesson!

Sincerely,George F. Weinstein

Dick Lee's picture

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Coach

At least that is the story he told his wife. You guys are always telling us to video our swings. I bet the video of that episode would tell a very interesting story.

You didn't give many details with that story. Did he hit her in the mouth with his ball or was it his shaft?

Just wondering,
Dick

Steve Smith's picture

Submitted by Steve Smith on

Dick,
I've got mine in Tupperware containers with labels on top indicating which balls are in each container. The last time I counted them I had close to 250 Pro V1's.
I think Mike went back there and raided a few last week though.;-)

Doc Griffin's picture

Submitted by Doc Griffin (not verified) on

My able assistant, Robert F, has responded spot on and DING DING DING, we have a winner.

Kevin McGarrahan's picture

Submitted by Kevin McGarrahan (not verified) on

Dick,

Is that "cheek", "check", or a bit of each? LOL

Kevin

Dick Lee's picture

Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

Surge Nation

A friend just shared this video with me.

There are some folks out there who love our military and the heros who have given it all for us.

I will warn you before you watch this video you had better have some tissues.

http://www.militarytimes.com/m...

Good night lads,
Dick

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Dick,

When I go off the fairway, it is usually in places where no one else ever goes. Sometimes I think I have discovered a new uninhabited land LOL.

Kevin

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G Key's question was about shots when the ball is well below his feet. Listen to Surge read it again. However, your question about what to do when you have to hit off a slope tilted perpendicular to your target line rather than parallel to it is also interesting. I know I have most trouble in those cases when I'm on a downslope, as I expect most people do, trying not to hit the ground before I reach the ball when the ground is in effect sticking up behind it.

My only solution in this case is to hold off release and allow a little more wrist action to bring the club in sharply. I'd love to hear how actual professionals handle it.

Dick Lee's picture

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Bob

A country boy can survive.

Dick

Robert F's picture

Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Dick, it depends on your swing speed and whether you're looking to reduce spin (which would reduce your slice). A harder cover on a ball helps reduce spin, but slower swing speeds need a softer core ball to get proper compression and rebound of the ball for optimal distance. A harder core takes more force to compress. Higher swing speeds can actually over-compress (or squash) a softer core ball creating non-optimal and even irregular ball flight (I know, you get quite enough irregular).

Best advice is probably to try different balls to see what feels best to you. Do you know what your swing speed is?

Dick Lee's picture

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Robert

Thanks pal.

You just couldn't let it go, could you?

If we keep this up, I am going to have to start carrying a mirror in my golf bag. No, not to check my hair. I will need it to check to see if the butt of my club is over my toe line, as I won't be able to see the toe line.

Hey, round is a shape.

Dick

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Brian

Amos usually does a lot of 1 putts. I think a good part of that is what he does with his chipping. If you are leaving yourself inside that 6' circle, it sure does help.

I am still working on both of those issues, and most other ones too.

I hope to play today. I will let you know how it goes.
Dick

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Steve,

It probably thought it would be better off if you were eating squirrel and dumplings that night. LOL

Bob

Robert F's picture

Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

George, see my answer to Mark T below, and also the response of G Key, the guy who asked how to hit a shot when the ball is below his feet (listen again as Surge reads the question and you'll see that is the question, whether you call it side hill or down hill). Yes, many of us would love another video about what to do with an unlevel lie where one foot is above or below the other. That's another video. Hopefully Surge will do that one soon (and maybe not while balancing on a lawn chair, as it makes me worry to watch that).

I don't think you intended your tone to be denigrating, but sticking an exclamation point on the end like that is a pretty emphatic negative.

Also, please remember to read previous responses before asking a question. You may discover that it's already asked and answered.

Dick Lee's picture

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Doc

You are right, it is nice to see some new people on the blog.

It is not so nice to see some old people on the blog.

A troll by any other name is still a troll,
Dick

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Kevin

A "flyer lie" is when the SouthWest pilot says he has not been drinking prior to takeoff.

Dick

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Submitted by Doc Griffin (not verified) on

Really? What would you call the wording, "looking for peak performance golf"? They have no right to the name. NONE! It's Don's. TIPTOE, I do hope that the lawyers get "hold" of them and soon.

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Robert F,

With this video, Surge definitely proved that his swing is best. Try doing what he did with the rotational swing, and I'll be visiting you in the hospital. What balance! I've been doing that accordion effect for years without knowing what I was actually doing. I think that is why, when the ball is below my feet, I hit the ball straight or left instead of right as conventional wisdom would have it. When the ball is above my feet, it goes straight or right, instead of left.

Kevin

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Something very simple you need to do (if you haven't), is check the lies of your clubs. An adjustment at a golf shop is not much$$ and it could be that your clubs are too flat for your swing.
Next, it may be time to consider hybrids to replace your 4 and 5 irons. They are much easier to hit.

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Steve

The answer to your first question is "No one I would want to run around with." I have eaten enough squirrel to fill a forest.

You would not believe how many 911 calls come in where people thought they killed a deer and they put it in the back seat. When it came too, they got a big surprise.

That deer knew what it was up against. The only way to stay alive was for it to bail out.

Hey, that is the only bail out I have heard of in a long time that actually worked.
Dick

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Submitted by Kimarguello (not verified) on

You have given us a lot of great tips. I wish you would actually hit a golf ball and show us the follow through on all of your tips. Thank you.

Kim A

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My father was an air traffic controller in the Army, so he told me all about those Air Force mechanics. ;-)

Robert F's picture

Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

I haven't noticed a lot of hate for Pro V1s, though not a lot of love, either. Mostly a lot of laughs at four-time-a-year golfers who think that playing a Pro V1 will make them play like a pro.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Yep, it sure is, but blob is an indeterminate ever changing shape. Just thought I'd throw that in. LOL

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Dick

Yes, I have noted Amos's successes in those areas with more than a little envy.

You have a good round today. Putt on your best show, Drive carefully, and Chip away at any difficulties that might Lie ahead.

Look forward to your report - and, of course, your reparTee.

Cheers

Brian

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Before I found the Surge, your second point applied to all my shots, except for flying past where I wanted it to land. I hit every ball so fat, there was a small lawn between my club and the ball ;-P

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Submitted by BrianF (not verified) on

My method of hitting off a slope is stand with my body perpedicular to the slope. As a right-hander, if the slope is lower to my left then I take a more lofted club to offset the 'change' in the loft due to my body line. Conversley, on an uphill slope (my right foot lower than my left) I take a less lofted club. Hope this helps.
Cheers.

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Coach

I have had that experience (often), and I would have to agree with you.

Dick

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

I wonder if my wife will notice that I broke her patio chair, and a couple of hanging potted plants, and dented the top of the back porch grill after trying my luck at this drill?

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Dick,
You should have seen him when he was first learning to play.
He was in school in Tuscaloosa and we would go down and play a round every two weeks. Every time he would tell me to bring him some Pro V1's and every time I would take him 100 of them. After about the fourth time I told him he was either going to have to play with a different ball or start hitting them straighter.
I wasn't buying them (just finding them) but still........

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