Listen For That Solid Shot

Congratulation on a good tournament DJ. I know you are expecting more and I have a strong feeling you are really close to a win. Watch out Houston.
On another note, have any of you out there made a switch to graphite in your irons. I am a month out from getting professionally fit and am doing lots of reading and research. Of course until my hands are healed enough I won't be able to "try anything out" but I would appreciate any opinions of any of you out there who have made the move and what you think about it. If you have let me know what you went with and maybe why and how they feel conpared to steel.

to ALL:

hmmmmmm -- no Dragonhead today? wait- -I bet he is singning "Scotland Forever" after Laird's win at Bay Hill. LOL

Keep hitting them Straight and Long

Amos

The reason that Don suggested we shorten our drivers etc was ultimately to post better scores. C'mon guys kiss and make up.

I'm really debating whether to throw this out but you know, sometimes I do things that I really shouldn't and this is probably one of them. So, with that being said, I think the whole situation started out as "shaft envy" and as you probably know by now, no man's shaft is as long as they say it is! (wait a minute before all your minds go there, you know full well that I'm talking about just how far the shaft hits) So, I'm betting that someone's shaft ain't so magical, really doesn't measure up to being as long as they say it is and probably doesn't perform like it's purported to. Thank you, thank you very much!

Ronnie

Like some great guns, maybe this new club is never meant to be fired. Maybe it could hang on the wall and just be admired.

Congrats on winning the club.
Dick

Amos

We all have to adapt to changing times. Next Monday I have an appointment with a guy who is coming over to put in one of those new push button phones in our home. I will miss the rotary dial phone, but they tell me the new one will do a lot more stuff. I am even thinking about getting one of those phones in my truck so I can talk to people when I ain't home. If I do, I know what I am going to say on my voice mail. What do you think of this for a message? "Hello, this is Dick. I am sorry I missed your call. I must be home now. If you leave me a message, I promise I will call you back as soon as I get back in my truck."

I must be tired. I am really going to bed now.

Dick

Headed there right now.

The first clue should be that he emailed your info to the fitter. What info? I don't recall you ever going through a fitting. So maybe it was your age, sex, marital status, what you did over the weekend, and you hit the driver 160 yds, as I don't recall any other information that you have posted. And, the real kicker is that your driver is ready in less than an hour! Simply amazing. I wonder just what information he used to build your driver. It really is time for him to go bye bye and it won't happen unless we simply don't fuel the fire.

Hey all
good to see DJ playin some good golf!
found this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Imagine the looks you would get rockin up to the driving range with this training aid. LOL

Dick I used to go to the American Football every Friday night at Wheelus USAF Base in Tripoli Libya. Boog about exactly the time you mentioned 1964-1966, I remember the skeletons of helicopters and some aircraft being stripped of parts, ex Vietnam on base. At the football one evening they had two British Army teams on at half time, to give a Rugby exhibition for the servicemen and the US families. The comments of the commentators was incredulous at the action before them, "and these guys don't wear pads either ladies and gentlmen", was one comment. I remember the AirForce Police walking around looking up at the crowd.Strange thought I? Then one of the guys asked me for my can of coke.So I passed it to him, without thinking anything about it. He passed it back a minute or so later. I took a deep swig and nigh on crapped myself. They were from the Dental Laboratory and had 'acquired' some 'steriflex bags' complete with tubing and artery forceps. One of them had a litre bag of Bourbon under each arm. My coke was the unwitting benefactor of a huge slug of Bourbon. My first introduction to the good ole firewater, which has remained a favourite of mine.
I used to play Rugby at school. At the Class Re-union about 5 years ago, I was reminded of some exploits I had long forgotten. One guy was called 'Stagecoach Cason', because he ploughed through teams like a Wells Fargo[Scottish founders]coach with players hanging all over him [He sadly had passed away before the re-union]. This little shrimp,when he was in full flight, used to pin his ankles together down low.The ground used to shake when he hit the turf.Then there would be a mouthful that would have graced any RSM or Gunney's vocabulary, and he would hurl the ball at me. Tut tut tut.
In NZ I played Golf with some of the World Cup Winning New Zealand Team, the All Blacks.
Golf is the key to so much in life. The first game we had I was the hooker in the scrum. A boot came up and shredded my right eye and cheek.When the scrum broke up. I flopped. Couldn't see for a couple of weeks until the damage receded.From that point on no one got any mercy. The guy who did it to me, gave up the game and took up tennis ; - ) A great team game.ie, they say Soccer is a gentlemans' game, played by thugs, and Rugby is a thugs game, played by Gentlemen. Hahahaha. It sure didn't breed woosies. One of the all Blacks I played with, Murray Mexted, married Miss Universe and years later 'came out' Oooops! hahahaha Ain't life fun.
Keep it Long and straight in Oklahoma.
Still working on the Swingrite, using Scottish guile agin Chinese cunning ahahaha.
PS My brother in Spain is called David.
Phil NZ New Zealand bound in a couple of months yeeeeehah

N/A

Janet,
I look forward to building you a driver. I also have a favor to ask of you if you don't mind. Since you live in San Diego, could you get me information of two businesses please? One is Foothills Communication and the other is Distance Education Consultants. Thanks a bunch and look forward to getting the driver questionnaire back.

I have been using the "Surge" swing for about 6 weeks and I have benefitted from reduced back pain. I am hitting the ball straighter and keeping it in play better and have reduced my scores simply because I have reduced my penalty strokes. However, I have lost distance off the tee; still suffer from a ball flight to the right of my aim lines (using aiming sticks or clubs to check). It's not a slice, just a flight to the right. Also I find it very difficult to use the "surge" swing in the short game from less than a full wedge shot. I can't figure out how to control distance and the lack of wrist cock produces a lot of misses to the right and some "shanks". Any ideas how to manage the short game?

t:

Her driver has already been built. Let's see if it gives her more distance.

If the link goes to a reply or a comment that's beyond the 50 that are loaded on the page then it won't display. I think this may be what you are experiencing no?

To JB51 -- Just to put your mind at ease that there no double standard and no conspiracy, Doc sent me a questionnaire that contains specific instructions and requests specific information, including stuff that can only be obtained from a launch monitor. As soon as Mr. K sends him $325, I'll get all of the info requested to Doc.

N/A

Janet:

If you had agreed to meet on Saturday that left time for my fitter to create the very same club he made this morning in an hour. I am not sure why you won't test drive it. The real test would be for Doc to make you a driver he feels that will beat the one my fitter just built and see which one is better.

My fitter no doubt could improve on his own effort with more interaction with you (I will grant your point on that) but I am willing to give Doc $500 dollars if any driver he creates in the next year can beat what my fitter created in an hour.

I believe the combo of this new material plus knowing how to fit it (knowledge Doc just doesn't have ... my fitter was involved in the development of this new shaft material) is better than ANYTHING Doc can create in the next year.

So we can have one head to head competition after another and the only driver my fitter can enter into the competition is the one he created in an hour. Of course he can work with you to improve over this first cut at a driver for you but the only driver he can enter into this competition. I will buy whatever driver shaft you wind up preferring ... as I stated before ... you supply the club head for your final club of choice.

So you might wind up with the best driver coming from Doc. And if his drive wins the competition then $500 goes in his pocket for me paying for this driver. Not sure what he charges others but this should be enough to get you a new driver.

If the driver my fitter has already created wins then I will purchase its shaft for you and you can put whatever head on it you wish and my fitter will also work with you over time until you are happy,

If the driver my guy creates for you beats Doc's best effort for like 25 - 30 yards (or more) then why would you want to keep Doc's driver. You would return it and he can sell it to someone else.

Since the terms are so heavily loaded in Doc's favor (I figure this HUGE handicap gives Doc a very slim chance of winning ... the odds of me losing are so slim that I am willing to lose $500 to buy you a brand new driver from your favorite fitter ->Doc).

Someone figure out an escrow account and I will place the $500 in it provided Janet and Doc agree to the challenge. Hopefully Doc accepts the challenge. If he wins then he gets a nice sale and if he loses he gets schooled about how to build better drivers that deliver longer and and more accurate results.

Lynn

Thomas is playing with TEF.

Dick

I actually have a similar swing trainer half built in my back yard. Don'T laugh to hard. Anyway, I'm hoping to finish it in a month or so.

N/A

LMAO.

Dick,

I can't get to sleep if you keep me laughing so much.

Kevin

Congrats to DJ on a good finish at Bayhill!

Dick Lee;

YES -- You arre truly blessed. What a DAY!

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

Amos

They who look similar?

Janet:

You invented why you couldn't hit the ball and put those words on me. In my message I said that fitness was an option for you but not required. If you want even more distance then fitness is an option and I will pay for one session for you to see if you want to travel down that road. My fitness buddy added 40 yards to an LPGA top player and you are maybe 4" taller than she is.

To get more distance you will need a driver fit just for you. A men's R shaft may work but my shaft is an X more than likely it won't deliver results. Doc says that getting the right shaft is an interactive process. You can have a shaft that likely delivers more distance if you want. It doesn't matter to me whether or not you get more distance. It all depends upon what you want.

Amos

I know the muskidine well. Ever heard of muskidine wine? You know us rednecks. We will can just about anything, and make some good spirits out of everything else.

Dick

Pay attention to your finish posture when you hit a pull and I'll be the farm that if you put the shaft to your sternum you'll see the club pointing way to the left indicating over rotation. Finish square to the target (hips and shoulders) and I think you'll see far less pulls.

Boog

I saw one of your posts where you were talking about your young ones. We have a 3 year old named David and a 1 year old named Joshua. They are stationed in Germany with their mom waiting for daddy to come back from the sand box.

Dick

boogm One of my friends in Libya was a dental Technicial who had just finished a tour as Tech to the guy who ran Strategic Air Command. His name was Curtis Le May if my memory serves me well. One of the places the Tech Staff Sgt Roger E Lewis had just come from was Okinawa. Small world indeed. I see a lady Medic in the Brit Army has just been awarded the Military Cross for Gallantary under fire.One below the Victoria Cross. Of which the Corps has 28 with two bars.The Bar to the VC has only been one three times in it's history. Two Medics and a Kiwi Grunt, Captain Charles Upham.

Kevin

Have you ever eaten a persimmon? I have, they are incredible when they are ripe. A green one will make you lips pucker up till you can't spit.

I almost got to eat a persimmon driver once for talking while this old guy was hitting his tee shot. He might have been the neighbor Steve wrote about earlier.

Dick

Have you videoed your swing, Jaysw2002? Pushes can be caused by your hips and/or shoulders being aimed right of your target, or if your whole body is sliding forward with the bump, not just your hips and knees.

As far as losing distance, a lot of that is just getting the hang of how the power is generated in a Surge Swing rather than a rotational swing.

For the short game, do you have the short game video series from Surge? Lots of great stuff in there. A few things to try: lessen the weight shift and practice (a lot) swinging with less back swing. Take the club back to the toe line and maybe shoulder high, then swing through and see how that feels and how far it goes. You can adjust from there. Depending on the shot, try not preloading right (the ball will likely roll out more when it lands) or don't fully shift your weight forward in the downswing (the ball should fly higher that way). In both cases you may need to open your stance slightly to compensate for the lack of bump. When I'm at the range, I use half a bucket practicing shots from 40 yards to 100 yards with a multitude of clubs and ball flights. We only hit (on most courses) 14 shots from tee to fairway. We hit at least 18 shots to the greens.

WK

First of all I doubt Janet would "put any conditions" on Doc. My opinion...Here's the deal. I've watched the videos Doc has done and spoken with people he has built for. All have nothing but praise for the man and the work he does. He makes no outrageous claims. I'm perfectly comfortable having him build me a "long distance" driver. I believe it was Mark Twain who was "in search of an honest man". I think I found one. When that driver is done and I get a chance to compare it with my current driver I'll be happy to give everyone the results.

LynnF42

Hey Mike, I'm not sure if the left arm being too close to the body would cause the slight chunks. That's probably either an improper weight shift or a change in the spine angle in the transition. Do you have video of your swing that you can look back at and see what's going on?

And adding on to my own comment, it's possible that you're not quite getting enough turn for your left arm to swing free of the body on the back swing. You should be turning about 70* in total, enough that your arm can swing freely up along the plane of the toe line until your upper arm hits your chin.

I have no idea how to interpret this statement. What do you mean?

jb51

How about this .... I give Doc $500 if the driver he builds for Janet beats the one my fitter created in an hour today. And he gets a year to beat what it took my fitter took an hour to build. That should create a profit for Doc for his time and effort and surely he must believe he will win and beat my fitter's one hour effort.

What we need now is a place we all agree on for escrow so the pro Doc people can't say I won't pay off and a way to make sure Janet doesn't cheat to throw the results in favor of Doc ... and she has never even met my fitter.

Would such a competition cool you off? I don't like to see so much anger on this forum whoever expresses it.

There is a simple way to see if you are right about Doc's professionalism and his belief in his own ability. -> Let's see if within one year Doc can beat what my fitter created in an hour..

And the test driver is on Doc's team. Like how much more do I have to do to get Doc to compete against my fitter and this new material he knows how to use?

Do you have a spare $100 you can throw on the fire that goes to Doc if he wins?

I would think the pro-Doc crowd would throw some money on this effort for him to encourage him to compete head to head with my fitter.

I've thought of about 10 comebacks to this, and I don't think there's one of them that I can post in mixed company!

Howdy folks. I'm back from my long weekend, totally exhausted, and not just from playing golf. I've been wading through all of Mr. Kerney's comments about me, and I'm starting to find all of this tiresome. This isn't even amusing anymore. I thought what I was signing up for originally was meeting Mr. K at a driving range, hitting my own driver to show him how far I can hit, and then hitting a driver with this fabulous unknown material to see if I could gain 20+ yards. Based on the comments posted while I was gone, it now appears that I have signed on to work with a personal trainer and spend time with a club fitter who will evaluate my swing and give me pointers, and THEN I will be able to hit the magic club which, unfortunately for me, has to have a 46” shaft to be effective. And if I'm lucky, I'll get to meet the 55 year old guy whose hips WK replaced. (That was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.)

Here's the scoop. I'm in my mid-fifties; I'm 5'6”. I work out regularly and am pretty strong. There's no way I can hit a club with a 46” shaft. I'm using a 44” old Callaway Big Bertha that was bought on eBay. The driver that came with my set is a 43” TaylorMade. I prefer that length but it has too much loft. Mr. K has incorrectly stated that I told him on the phone that I hit 200 yards. What I really told him was that I was hitting 180 to 200, but since I developed tennis elbow a few months ago, I'm averaging about 160. His response was that that was pretty good. As someone else said here (can't remember who, sorry), I could probably go see a fitter and end up with a club that gives me more distance, and it would have nothing to do with changing my swing or having the ability to do 150 pushups.

So, Mr. Kerney, here's what I'm willing to do. I will meet you at a driving range and try out your driver to see if I can hit it longer. Doesn't matter if it's too long. I'll choke up. If that's not acceptable, I'll meet you at a driving range, watch you hit 300 yard drives, and I'll report back here to everyone that you do indeed hit that far.

I'm sorry if you all think I'm backing out. I really don't want to, but this is becoming a major project and I feel like I'm wasting my time. Like I said – one trip to a driving range. That's what I'm willing to do because this whole thing is starting to give me the creeps.

Also, please accept my apologies for taking up so much of the blog with this BS.
Janet

Kevin

I hope you had a great day. Sleep? As my first sgt in the Corps used to say "Get your gear on Marines, lets move out, you will get all the rest you need when you are dead."

Don't hurt yourself laughing pal. Sometimes when I get on a roll, I am best taken in small doses.
Dick

Janet:

Why the one with all the info about bling of course ... just a joke.

I emailed my fitter and he is ok with you calling him but he wants me only to give it to you if you promise not to reveal any details -- any. Like his name, his phone number. and what the clubhead you are using and what the shaft is made of or looks like - anything If you promise to keep this info secret then I will call you and let you know his telephone number. he sees all the really weird nasty comments here directed at me and doesn't want any of that pointed his way.

Of course you are free to report back the added distance (or lack thereof). And if Doc is watching) ... Janet -- he gives out his email here -- ask Doc to create for you a new club made from Rambax or whatever you want material you want and fedex it to Janet - (I trust she will be a fair tester).

Let's see if my fitter's club beats Doc's. And the fun next step of this Janet is that after the head to head comparison made on a launch monitor we share that information to both fitters and they both get a second bite at the apple to see if they can beat their first effort. And then maybe even a 3rd and 4th and 4th head to head competition. You get the benefit of two great minds locked in head to head battle to prove who is best (mano a mano) ... two champions trying to win the lady's favor.

in the meantime I will contact my fitness buddy and see if he is ok with working with you (my expense for the first session). Like what if you add more distance via fitness so you turn around and out grow the first drive you choose.

I think your potential is somewhere between 260 to 300 yards.

Steve.

I agree when bump starts and transition must me fluid.

Am I correct in saying I have reached top of tree when my left arm touches my chin? If not, please clarify.

Thanks. Phillip

Lynn

I see you're still watching the food network. I knew it was gonna be one of these kind of nights. Go eat something, will you? Don't get me started on the food thing again. My waistline can't take it anymore. I used to be able to bend over and touch my toes, now I have to bend over to see my toes. It was more like homemade beef stew, with all kinds of great veggies. Then she topped it off with a grilled cheese sandwich. So there. Think about that while you're trying to go to sleep.

There's always one in every crowd pal. Before my accident, I used to shoot consistently in the upper 70s, with the occasional 75. I thought those days were long gone. I know today does not mean that I will be shooting like this all the time. Even if it was just a fluke, I will take it. I hope it will serve as a reminder to myself that I have it in me somewhere. Don't worry pal, I'm not a gambling man. Even if I was, I am like Steve, in that I only bet on sure things. And my golf game is far from a sure thing. I was on this blog talking to the "little people" when I was shooting 118. I was still talking to you when I broke 100, and when I broke 90. I would love to be able to come on here and talk to you if I broke 70. I'm not saying that breaking 70 is my goal. Ok, for right now. Like with most things in my life, I have been way up and way down with this game I love so much. If you are hoping that I would start shooting great golf and then leave you guys alone, FORGET ABOUT IT. You're not getting rid of me that easily.

Who needs a magic shaft, we've got the magic Surge!

Keeping it vertical, thinking only about golf and not about food, in Oklahoma.
Dick

u are gone, never there in there in the first place.

You know who, You and TEF !!!!!!!!!!!!!