No Wrist Cock, PERIOD!

Surge, you are the man. Any one who can find a way to work duct tape into a golf lesson is at the top of the food chain. I have said, for my whole life, if it can't be fixed with duct tape, it ain't worth fixing.

You rock,
Dick

Sock it to them Surge! Firming up my grip recently, which also firmed up my writsts, made a big difference In 'CONSISTENCY', accuracy and length with ALL clubs! Thankyou Surge.
The doubting Thomas's among those who follow Surge is understandable, depending on the persons doing so. If it is to clarify points that they are having difficulties with performing themselves, fine. If it is carping criticism of the PPGS golf swing and it's 'rules', then, what is their point? Many, many of us have embraced the concepts of the PPGS concept and have seen it's amazing results. Nothing and no one is perfect. This angle is not exactly.....yadda, yadda,yadda, when Surge does it, or he says one thing and does another. At the end of the day all the nit-picking, analysis has to be transferred into bodily motions to achieve results. Thesse bodies are so varied as to be in line with the saying "no two golf shots are the same", giving gazillions of variables. Yet even that being so, the Peak Performance Golf Swing WORKS~! I for one am perhaps not as technical savvy as some who follow the Surge. A good thing for me. As said everyone is different. To those who are critical, what exactly is your point? At the end of the day, minute differences married to fat,thin,tall,short anatomies and all the scientific dots are joined up this swing, I personally LOVE, WORKS. I wish the critics all the luck in improving their game using whatever methods you use, just don't knock our Surge!
Dick on Duct tape, hahaha! Love the stuff! DH in sodden NZ where the heavens have opened again.Water shortage touted here? hahaha just like global warming hahaha! Hit them long and straight and check those wrists.

Great response from you and Dr. Armstrong to Walt and his observations(criticisms) about the wrist cock, or lack thereof. I took your theory about the flat left wrist to the driving range and, once I felt comfortable with the new swing, to the course. The difference was amazing to say the least. I was hitting through the ball with more consistency and the difference in distance and accuracy was like night and day. Walt, if you're reading this, pay closer attention. Surge will not steer you wrong. Think "left wrist flat" and you can't go wrong. Thanks Surge, you're the man.

Here's my take on the wrist cock (or not) and personal results.

I think that until a golfer experiences a clean, pure, center struck golf ball using a 3/4 swing with not only no PURPOSEFUL wrist cock but actually resisting any wrist action, they may continue to scoff and disbelieve in what Surge has repeatedly said and shown. The other day I rediscovered this fact (and feeling). There is a certain feeling I get in my set up and grip that leads to great drives off the tee and better strikes from tee to green. It results when I set my hands and wrist firmly (as prescribed by Surge) and actually resist any flexation through out the swing. The best way to describe it is: "Set it and forget it". Once I have the grip and wrists locked in position it seems the rest is easy. Shots are solid, straight and long (most). As soon as I try to hit it further by allowing my back swing to get loose and past 3/4's(and my grip and wrist to loose that pre-set firm feel) I get the opposite-wild shots, inconsistency and frustration. Strange thing is I have had a lack of consistency from round to round making my hands and body remember the simplicity of what works. No wrist cock. In fact, when I get that going I don't even need to focus on rotating my forearms through the hitting area (from 5 to 7 on the clock when facing the golfer). It just happens. How did someone put it? 'Impact happens'.
I think why it is hard to ingrain is because it is so compact and simple it seems illogical. Golf is often a game of opposites. When we hit it solid and long and pure it seems like butter, almost effortless. So this is becoming major golf goal for 2013: 3/4's, no wrist cocking or (wrist action at all). Maybe if I can just embrace the great results I see with a compact swing and the 'set it and forget it' grip, I will truly own it.
I hope this made sense. It is my honest take after 4 years of applying the PPGS swing (and knowing when I'm not). Smaller swing, no extra angles and bigger results.
Better golf success through simplicity.

Surgites
DJ is in the field for the Humana chalenge in California nest week.
Hal

For those who wish to experience the feeling of a bus and contact with a firm left wrist, without the danger that scissors and duct tape present, you might want to give one of these a try during your range or practice time. I remember 3-4yrs back when starting this method having great difficulty keeping my left wrist firm from takeaway to contact. One of these was a big help in getting down that right movement and feeling. I still use it from time to time at the range.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230888862047?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

Of all the segments of this swing the "no wrist cock" has to be the one part that you should not have a problem performing. I've been working with this simple swing for two years and continue to have a problem with solid contact. But I have no plans to quit and will continue to try and master this simple swing.

I never could trust an instructor who could explain something without using a little duct tape. My belief in the Surge is now unequivocal.

http://thezac.com/ducttape/

I can't help but wonder what Surge thinks about the comments. He spent most of the video describing how he uses no wrist cock and in a brief instant (almost an afterthought) he mentioned the unintentional flex that occurs at the transition.

It seems reading the comments that many latched onto that one reference to flex and are taking it as a green light from Surge to go beyond unintentional flex and to purposefully flex the wrists.

You're absolutely right. I do have problems mastering this swing. That's why I've been on and off with this "simple" swing. One day I'm hoping that I can consistently connect all the dots. Thanks.

I think the confusion on cocking the wrist comes from the definition that the Surge and Dr. Armstrong use. Seemingly they define a left wrist cock as the wrist leaving the flat wrist position and bending back on itself with the back of the left hand now closer to the forearm. This is usually called a "cupped" position or dorsal flexion. Almost all instructors agree this is not usually a good thing and that the left wrist should remain flat throughout the swing. No arguement with the Surge here. However, throughout the golf instruction world this action is not the definition of wrist cock but rather wrist cock is considered the Vertical hinging of the wrist while still maintaining the flat wrist position. This is how the angle at address between the left arm and clubshaft gets to around 90 degrees near the top of the swing. All the arm lifting (without bending the left elbow) will never get you to the 90 degree angle without some vertical wrist hinging. Try it and prove it to yourself. Surge does admit to a small amount of vertical hinging as he starts down from the top. It is still wrist cocking (as defined above and most of the instructional world) whether it occurs during the backswing as you start down. It also happens automatically for most without thought but it is still wrist cock whether it is deliberate or not.