Choosing which golf ball you play on a regular basis can be a bit of a challenge, especially with so many options that are currently on the market. Just because professionals use a certain ball, doesn't mean that's necessarily the best ball for you to use.
There's also the element of weather. Although today is technically the first day of spring, many of you will still be golfing in some chilly weather for a little while longer. That means you should have a ball that is better suited for cold weather conditions, not just your swing speed and ability to compress the ball.
Joe Pursel wanted my take on which balls perform best in cold situations. I've used many different balls over the years so I've got some pretty good knowledge built up on which balls might just be right for you.
Here's what Joe asked:
I'm in Bremerton, WA. We are playing in 37-40 degree weather now, and wet. Could you comment on which balls to use for older players (I'm 79)? I have been using a Bridgestone 6, but distance is poor. Is there a big difference & what is the impact with harder balls, cold--near frozen--balls, and wet balls? Can't find where you have addressed this in books/videos.
Thank you Surge,
Joe Pursel
The great thing about the leading ball manufacturers is that they all cater to the amateur golfer as well as the pros. Joe mentioned Bridgestone, which actually makes a point of marketing different balls to amateurs because they just don't have the same characterisitcs in their golf swing as a Brandt Snedeker or Matt Kuchar. The same goes for other ball companies like Titleist and Precept. The whole idea is to find the one that gives you the most control, distance, and ability to compress the ball.
Check out the video and you'll hear me talk about many other types of balls that I think are great for older players like Joe. Don't fall victim to thinking that a more expensive ball means it's a better ball. That's just simply not the case. I would recommend playing a softer ball as it will allow you to compress it much easier, which in turn will lead to straighter, longer shots.
Keep it vertical!
The Surge
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Comments
New Alignment Tool
I recently saw a new product called the STANCE MINDER. It seems to fit right in with your emphasis on alignment, posture, and ball position. I would like to know your opinion on this product. At DW Quail it sells for $64.95. Thanks for your reply, Burt Remis
soft balls
Surg, I have always kept the golf balls to be used next day in the house and just before leaving for to play I place them in the microwave to pre-warm them and then do as you suggest, keep them in pocket and alternate each hole. It does wonders for length on shots.
I've given Precept to my wife and sometimes used them. Good ball.
Also D2 by Top Flight I swear goes longer than any I have tried.
Julian
Cold weather & Compression - Got it ..
THANKS Surge - many thanks for covering this topic in such detail. I enjoy playing in the colder weather, know the distance is -20% or so, and know I know that ball selection is also a factor. I recently purchased a box of used ProV1s, and hit them in the cold weather - OUCH. I also recently hit some of the Laddie's loved them, now I know why. The D/T Solo was my favorite ball ever, is there an equiv since they are no longer manufactured?
How much does the ball's compression affect flight characteristics. I remember the 100-90-80 compressions, and someone telling me that the the 100 compressions will encourage a slice, never knew if that was true or not.
Also, does the traditional color markings indicate compression still? Black/Black was 100, Black/Red was 90 etc .. at least for Titleist.
Thanks again and down the middle,
Jon
Low compression
Titleist still has SoLo balls on their web site and all of the other sites like Golfsmith also have them.
Plenty of other good low compression balls too.
http://www.nextag.com/low-compression-golf-balls/compare-html#!
Driver's lost Distance
Since developing my surge vertical.swing, I go straighter etc, but the longer the club the less than usual distance I am experiencing, especially the driver. I will make mention that 2 years ago I did have shoulder surgery on both shoulders due to an accident, and just turned 63. I am truly embarrassed because not long ago my average carry was 269, just today it was 219 on the simulator. I'm sick about this. The worse thing about this is I am feeling very strong this spring, the sound of the hit and the feel of the hit seems long, the I look up at the simulator and another 219 carry. Major issue with me, surge i know you can help....Chuck Rankin 3121-363-9995
Distance
No way to say how far you should be hitting the ball, or if you have some swing flaws that could be costing distance.
Was that 269 carry also on a simulator? Maybe the simulator isn't calibrated right. The one at the store where my son used to work was constantly getting off.
269 carry is awfully long. A few weeks ago on the PGA Tour some of their drives that were rolling out to over 300 yards were only 250 to 260 carry distance. These numbers are averages from 2009 on the PGA Tour but they would still be pretty close.
Driver 260 yards / 238 meters (Total Driving Distance - about 287.3 yards)
3-Wood 238 yards / 218 meters
5-Wood 223 yards / 204 meters
15-18* Rescue 218 yards / 199 meters
3-Iron 203 yards / 186 meters
4-Iron 189 yards / 173 meters
5-Iron 181 yards / 166 meters
6-Iron 169 yards / 155 meters
7-Iron 160 yards / 146 meters
8-Iron 149 yards / 136 meters
9-Iron 136 yards / 124 meters
PW 122 yards / 112 meters
Distance
Steve, you beat me to it, I was smiling as I read about Chuck's annoyance with has carry lengths and thought to myself this is PGA stuff he's hitting
You are correct about simulators, I've been hoodwinked a few times in the past when purchasing gear, the old way ie off the shelf. I think these simulators are calibrated so they indicate a longer distance to enhance sales, lol.
Club head speed
Chuck
I don't think you should be embarrassed with a 219 carry at 63. You have probably lost some club head speed from age & injuries. You might want to look at different shafts to suit you currant club head speed to gain a bit more distance, & try some softer balls ,as Surge has discribed in this daily. I don't think you should bust a gut trying to get your 269 back , but get more cunning & get the business end of the game sorted by focusing on the short game.
Balls!
An interesting video and a great read on it courtesy of Doc and Surge. I used different balls today for a change. Liked a couple of them for distance but not for putting,pitching or chipping! I tend to favour the softer versions for all round performance. Have a good stock of DT/Solo, NXT Tour, Srixon Ad333's and Srixon Soft Feel, to name but a few. Today was Wilson day. I used a couple of Wilson Dx2's and liked them.
The biggest surprise of the day was quite strange. Yesterday I managed to do a bit of chipping in the front garden. Using a complete golf hole which I can throw like a frizbee. Wherever it lands is the target. I used a mixture of brands with my usual favourite chipping clubs, the 9 and 8 irons. Added the LW,SW,PW. Then on one of my 'infamous' whims I used another club. I was stunned, it out performed the lot of them. So on today's round [teed of in the dark, with mist and very damp conditions], I decided to check it out. STUNNED yet again. I have never chipped so well ever, and my chipping is usually very good. To that I added a new putting tip to my normal putter. Between the two clubs, I have never had so many single putts in a round EVER~! The club used for chipping was a 'Hippo' 17degree DRIVING IRON!!! [a 2iron equivalent I think]. It will stay in the bag. I use it normally for long chips out of tree lines as it seems to go for long distances effortlessly.
I am still on cloud 9 at the results. DH in a warming and sunny NZ
Golf Balls
As the Surge/Doc mentioned, a good ball to try in colder weather is the Wilson "Elite 50" low-compression ball. I'm 68 and have a slow swing speed (about 72mph). I switched to it last October, and will keep playing it until the weather warms up here in Utah. You can get them at your local WalMart for about $13/dz. They have great feel off the clubface, excellent carry, and won't break the bank. During warmer weather I play the Bridgestone e5 and really like it too. Hit 'em straight! R2
Golf Balls
R2
Over the past couple of years I have played nearly every "soft" ball on the market. I really like the Bridgestone TreoSoft - -but alas, they are no longer made, do not like its replacement, the XFixxX .
Currently my favorite is the Wilson 50 Elite -- specially the YELOW colored ones. Reason : they don't "hide in early morning shadows" like the White ones do. I do have some vision problems still but I can usually see the roll out with the yellow balls -- with the standard white balls, once it hits the ground, it is lost from view, and I do feel a little foolish 4 or 5 times a round driving the cart in great circles searching for a ball in the fairway!! It never ceases to amaze me how a white ball can disappear in tree shadows cast in the fairway -- and sometimes the ORANGE ones also.
Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG
Amos
Sofest Balls
Amos, Great minds do indeed think alike. We sound very similar in our driver distances. I too prefer the TreoSoft and managed to get 12dozen at Dicks last year before they sold out. My second choice is also the Wilson 50/50 Elite in the bright yellow. I also agree the XFix kind of sucks.
I have noticed over the winter that Wilson now makes a Duo which they advertize as the softest (40)compression ball made.
http://www.edwinwattsgolf.com/WILSON-DUO-DZ-YELLOW/10038844/Product?ad_id=%20MA_Google&zmam=28332759&zmas=1&zmac=1&zmap=...
I'll have to give them a try, if and when Spring ever gets to Ohio. We got another light dusting over night with a now temp of 17* with a real feel of 5*. The long range looks like a couple more weeks until we start getting into the 40's/50's regular.
cold weather golf...
Hi Terry,
I am now in Florida and don't have to worry about those nasty Ohio winters anymore. I hope you're going to take advantage of Dave Seeman being in Ohio in early June. I had a great time last year.
Hello Tina
I would like to attend the one day school this year, but unfortunately won't be able to unless I can alter my existing schedule. If not this year, I will try to plan better for it next year. Lord knows I could certainly use the help.
You are lucky to be in Florida for this never ending Winter. We are presently having light flurries with a chilly real feel of 17* Looks like another week or two until Spring blooms here.
As for the TreoSoft, they're probably just selling off the inventory. Golf Galaxy has them at 2 for $30. It evidently was not a big seller or they would have continued with it instead of making the XFixx. Strange that no one seems to like XFixx though. I am interested in trying the Wilson Duo when golf resumes in Ohio. Let me know what you think about them. I played a few of the Wilson 50/50 Elite last year, which seemed closer to the Treo's. I guess so long as there's golf, there will always be something new to try.
Bridgestone Treos
The Treos still seem to be around. I was at a Dick's sporting Goods tonight (Wesley Chapel, Fl) and saw LOTS of boxes of the Treos, and the boxes looked new. could they have brought them back?
I have been playing the E5 since I can't find the Fixx anymore, but tonight picked up the Wilson Duos. The pro at the store said they are an excellent ball...we shall see!
Bridgestone Treos
removed: I hit save twice, not realizing the size takes a moment..impatient, as usual... :)
Treos availability
The large chain sporting goods stores tend to buy close outs in quantity. It wouldn't be unusual for Dick's to have a large number of dozens left in the warehouses.
great balls of fire...
I used a real high tech method for choosing my current ball. A few weeks ago I found a 'rocketballz' ball in some cactus while playing. The following round I put it in play and shot a 38 for nine. Decided right then I liked it:) Real scientific eh? So I ordered two dozen on line. Feels great off the tee with my 98/100 mph swing speed. Hit several in the 275 range.(long for me) I've chipped 'em closer and in lately so feels good around and on the greens.
There are many balls that may work for each of us. Experimentation and feel whether real or percieved make the difference.
great balls of fire
Robert ;
Great minds think alike? LOL -- That is my main "scientific" approach -- I have a variety of "soft" balls found in the rough, recovered from the water, etc that I have tried - also a couple of Pro V1's used for comparison. Funny thing is - -they are all within about 2 yards the same off the Driver. Maybe our "hard as concrete" fairways have something to do with it. I do know that around here, a medium trajectory drive that hits flat and rolls "forever" gets the most total distance --specially with the Driver and fairway woods.
275 yards? I am envious!! The longest I have ever hit my driver is about 250 total "in the good old days" -- Now, if I get past 200 yards, I feel like it is "Bubba long" LOL -- but I do hit a lot of 175 to 185 yard, total distance, per my GPS. On the other hand, I am 71 with a "gimpy" left ankle -- so I am forced to become very good at chipping and putting -- most days anyway.
Keep hitting them STRIAGHT and LONG
Amos
Let it roll in Vegas
Letting it roll in Las 'Vegas Baby" is one of the reasons I went back to a 9* driver a couple of years ago, especially in the warmer months out here in the high desert. We sometimes get 30-40 yards of roll.That's the only way I ever get close to 300 yards. (cart path never hurts either on a rare occasion:) I'm sure if I lived in Alabama or some other wet humid area my occasional 275+ would be more like 240. The other thing is I hit up on my drives which likely makes my actual launch angle more like 11/12 degrees anyhow. Of course down wind I start it out higher to ride the wind and into hit it lower to 'pierce' the wind. And we have some serious wind out here at times. Today my brother his son and my wife and I are playing Legacy which is a challenging layout with thicker lusher grass than good old hard and fast muni. I may not get as much roll out there. we'll see:) We tee off at 11am.
Honestly though, just as Amos mentions, I often try out many of the balls I find while playing. Our white sand that lines many of our golf courses here hide many a ball from site. Funny but often if I can't find my own ball I will find one or two others during the same search and presto, if they are in decent shape I may very well give them a try at some point and accidentally find a ball I like or not. It is the only way you'll see me get a ProV1. $40-50 a dozen? Ha!! Not. It's like hitting off the tips. I don't normally and think that anyone who doesn't break 80 all the time has any business hitting from back there. same with the prov1. Until my swing speed miraculously jumps up to 110+ $40+ per dozen makes no sense. Soft,hard or otherwise.
Golf Balls
I experiment with every ball I find. Ha ha!
I did buy my first ever golf ball right before Christmas. I was ordering some for my son as a Christmas present and since I was getting low on Pro V1s I got some for myself at the same time.
A few years ago I found a Wilson ball. I had found and played with plenty of Wilsons before and never particularly liked any of them. I teed this one up and hit a monster drive (coincidence?). I birdied that hole and teed it up on the next hole, a par 5, and hit another monster drive (coincidence??). Hit a 6 iron on the green and made an eagle. The next hole I hit another monster but (oops) hit it OB to the right.
Then it occurred to me that I had never looked at just which Wilson ball I had been playing with. To this day I don't know if that was the perfect ball for me or if I just happened to be killing my tee shots on those holes.
Funny thing happened on the first tee when my son and I were playing Tuesday. He hit his driver right down the middle, as usual, but the ball just didn't look right in the air. I don't think he noticed and just thought it was another good shot. When we got to his ball it was over 100 yards short of where his drives usually are on that hole. I told him he better check that ball and when he did it was cracked. Funny thing was that the visible crack was only about 1/4 inch long. I took it home to put in my practice balls but when I got out of my truck I just decided to hit it down into the yard with a PW. That PW only hit that ball about 50 yards. Amazing that small of a crack would make that much difference. Makes me wonder how many times maybe we have a crack that is half that size and not noticeable is costing us shots and we think it's our fault.
Roll out
Ha ha! I am "envious" of anybody that even thinks about a roll out.
We basically can count on none whatsoever where I play. Usually the ball is in or within a step of the pitch mark. Good thing because there are several short holes around 275 to 285 and if there was a roll out pretty much everybody would drive those greens. As it is really only the big hitters can do it, and only high ball hitters.
All of them are uphill except one and even that one has an elevated front that stays very soft. The only way to drive those greens is to actually carry the green.
One good thing about it is that it's very easy to keep track of actual carry distance with a GPS if you carry it on the green. It is amazing how many people that think they are long can't carry those greens when they play there for the first time. The first words out of their mouths are "the ball sure doesn't carry very far here". I always laugh and tell them it carries as far as it does on their course they just don't realize how much they are getting after it hits the ground.
I know some holes at other nearby courses that are over 300 yards that are much easier to drive than a 275 yard hole where I play.
Roll out
Steve:
Your course sounds similar to my friend's course near Seattle. It is built through and around a cedar and spruce forest. fairways are lush - and usually damp with bent grass greens that are normally soft --but moderately fast.
On that course, EVERYTHING is carry-specially 2 or 3 holes that play across a ravine!
my course on the other hand is about as flat as golf course can be, with closely mown fairways and greens over a "hard as concrete" sand base. The ONLY way to get close to a front pin is too land short and trust the bounce and roll - unless the 100% perfect short iron or wedge.
my visiting friend's main complaint is "why don't they let the grass grow?" -- he has some problems with tight lies -- and is "clueless" on Bermuda greens --even with several tips and advices from me.
Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG
Amos
DJ
I see that DJ had a nice round in Louisiana Open today (-4).
DJ,
Dan, I just came on and see you beat me to it. DJ is playing the Web.com Louisiana Open this week and he is tied for 4th @ -4 now.. Good pllaying DJ.
Hello Dan, send me an e-mail and catch me up from Canada.
Hal
Golf Balls by the Dozen
I haven't bought a dozen golf balls since I started PPGS. My wife bought me a dozen Bridgestone e6+ two years ago. Except for two balls that I hit in a lake last year, I have only used one ball for those two years. I still have three 3-ball sleeves left from that dozen, plus a dozen Top-Flite D2's and two dozen Nitro's which I will probably never use.
I'm considering getting a sleeve of Wilson Staff Duo ($19.99/dozen) to try until the weather warms up.
Lost balls
Must be nice. Ha ha ha!
There certainly isn't anyone at our course that can say that. Even Ron has hit a ball in the water a few times. All the rest of us donate balls to the lake fairly often on the island green.
If we don't have a hole hard enough to give us a good chance of hitting it in the water we'll make one up.
Last week they put a tee box at 177 yards over the lake and dead into the wind as an "extra hole". My teammates hit it in the water with fairway woods so I went back to the bag and traded my 5 iron for a 3 iron to make sure. At least it was dry but unfortunately 10 yards over the green.
Lost Balls
My balls of choice were pre-loved balls found by my golden retriever. I trial them when the mood takes me. The first thing bought at the new club was, a 15'ft long ball retriever hahaha. Paid for itself on the first day.
On the recent topic, you and others weighed in on, the handicapping system. Well Lo! and Behold received this very day 22nd March in New Zealand, received an e-mail asking for my views on the handicapping system. You heard it first from Surgites in the USofA! NZ Golf have woken up!
Keep that swing training aid going Steve. DH
Practice Mat for Backyard
Hi Surge:
I've been enjoying your videos for almost a year, finding your instruction very helpful and the questions very interesting. One question I have is about your backyard driving range. What brand of driving range/practice mat are you using in your videos? I'm looking to buy one and want the very best quality. Given your experience over the years, you've undoubtedly used many types and brands of mats and selected the best for your backyard. Thanks much, Tom A.
Practice mat
Tom, Don's mat is a standard driving range mat that he aquired and set up in his back yard.
Hal
Gizmo update
Feeling more comfortable and natural but little things like hip sway and a little more dipsy-doodle than I would like creep in too.
Not bad for just a few days though. I would recommend building one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kw3g1wi00
P.S. I've found that it works best for me just touching my forehead.
last video
Steve, I watch a lot of your videos and the last one looked real fine to me. I watched your hip/belt line and noticed small turn but no back sway and a front movement for the bump and follow through.
I wish I could execute that well.
Video
Between a half inch and an inch of hip back sway on that one. I thought I had that straightened out but when I made a slight adjustment with my pre-load position it helped with my eye line but let me backslide (pun intended) with the hip slide, and by virtue of that the forward knee.
It will take quite a few more swings to get it where I want it, and especially when I am not paying attention and on the course hitting full shots.
I'm also not too thrilled with my left arm position after impact but I'm hoping that will fix itself when I'm swinging faster.
Where have I been??
Thanks Surge, that really helps me with this cool weather, I did get to play the last two days, but, of course today so far we have 6" of the white stuff.
With my new driver, I hit it pretty darn good, but, what im doing is hitting above the sweet spot. I have tried teeing up more, down more, don't help. My loft is HL Taylor Made Ladies Rocketballz Bonded Driver. Shaft Matrix Xcon5... Maybe you could or someone could help me.
I sure have missed everyone, be so busy,,,
Thanks for all of your help,
Marilyn
Ball position
Hi Marilyn
Have you tried changing your ball position? Possibly further forward in your stance, depending on the length of the shaft your using. You could experiment a bit with alignment sticks by making an H, & changing your ball position around, while keeping track of the changes on the alignment sticks. Sorry I cant help you with shaft dynamics. Doc,s the man for that. Good luck
Thank you, I will try that
Thank you, I will try that for sure! Seems funny, that I hit it pretty darn good but not on sweet spot.
thanks again,,
Thank you, I will try that
Thank you, I will try that for sure! Seems funny, that I hit it pretty darn good but not on sweet spot.
thanks again,,
Driver Sweet Spots
Marilyn;
Depending on how high above center you are actually making contact, you may be closer to your sweet spot than you realize. Sweet spots have changed over the past years for drivers and other oversize clubs. Here's an article link which will explain a little about it. Good luck and congrats on the new Driver.
http://www.golf.com/instruction/find-your-drivers-hot-spot
Thank you, I will read for
Thank you, I will read for sure! Yes, that new driver, can't believe I got it...really I got all new Taylor Made's, trying to get use to all of them. It says RocketBallz Fairway Wood-Women's, Custom Length -1.75", so we shall see. Going to be awhile now, 12" of snow, darn, darn, but at least got out twice last week..
Thanks again!
Thank you, I will read for
Thank you, I will read for sure! Yes, that new driver, can't believe I got it...really I got all new Taylor Made's, trying to get use to all of them. It says RocketBallz Fairway Wood-Women's, Custom Length -1.75", so we shall see. Going to be awhile now, 12" of snow, darn, darn, but at least got out twice last week..
Thanks again!
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Well, I thought I did, it would not let me, but, thanks anyway,,,
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