PPGS Grip Tips

Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:00 -- Don Trahan

Your hands are what connect you to your golf club, which means your grip plays an extremely important role in the success or failure of your ball striking. I always state that your palms must be perpendicular to the ground throughout the swing, which leads to what I call the 3 P, prayer position for grip.

The reason for today's topic stems from my experiences as a teacher, most recently at some of my PPGS Performance golf schools. At these schools, grip is a common problem I see and an issue that I like to spend a lot of time discussing. I'll provide you with some tips today, but if you'd like to get a closer look with more detailed instruction, check out some of my videos in Surge's Shop or sign up for a golf school located near you.

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Submitted by Dragonhead on

Surge, Thankyou for a homespun, backyard gem of a lesson. Two things you showed, which wonder of wonders I have close to hand. The grip trainer [but weighted with two weights, which can be removed individually or both can be unscrewed],with a grip like yours. Stopped the video when you pulled out the ruler and galloped into my golf room,where I grabbed my 50cm plastic ruler, and back to the screen in a trice! I had a club handy to start the viewing, but that was put to one side.
Yesterday I was paying particular attention to my grip on the practice hole at our course. It must have been correct because my iron shots were accurate and much longer. Retrieving balls already struck, I threw about 15-20 of them in the rough. Then with my 7iron, I effortlessly struck every ball with a nice sound. Lost them in the sun [now there's a surprise ; - ]. On walking to the green I was stunned to see every ball had reached the green all in putting distance of the hole : - ] I got all the balls just off the side of the green and on the spur of the moment, chipped the lot of them across the green to my stand bag on the first cut at the other side. Every ball stopped within a 2ft circle. I hit some high iron shots back down the hole away from the green over a high broad tree, only 3 of the balls snicked a twig and dropped into the rough below the tree. On retrieving them later, when I had a PW in my paw only yards from a deep [bald] greenside bunker, I played them as they lay, one of them in an awkward position to the right of the tree trunk. Down the shaft and dropped all three on the flag!!! : - ] Then before I finished I hit a couple of gentle "ONE and TOE" rythm shots with my 24deg Rescue and was stunned to see them leave the practice hole and land way up the fairway on the adjacent hole!!! No danger to anyone and someone benefitted from the balls I willingly gifted to them. Now all this in my ordinary shoes!!!hahahaha! So keen to get some practice in while the sun shone, I forgot my GOLF SHOES! So a great practice with thick soled, flat shoes with no grip~! Must have been just "DOING IT RIGHT" as Surge says. It is coming and again, can't wait for the next trip to the hallowed turf on Monday : - ) A Happy PPGS Camper, with his viewing accoutrements,ie, grip trainer and ruler. Have a great day everyone.
To R2, Googled the course you mentioned in Utah. A lovely looking place, looks a lot like the South Island here and parts of the Central North Island. I saw something that truly stunned me. A person's name!!! and photograph!!! Don't believe in coincidences ; - ) DH in sunny and warmer NZ

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Submitted by reedclfd on

Evening DH. Yup it's a very nice course - glad you got to "see it". Amazing what technology can do for us! And thanks for the great timing tip - it really does work well. Sounds like you are really "zoned-in" after that super practice round. Let us know how your next round goes. Take care and as always, hit 'em straight! R2

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Submitted by Dragonhead on

Evening R2,
A lovely course indeed. What stunned me, was one who had played there and commented had my family name and he looks like me, and his son, is the spitting image of my dearly departed brother when he was a youngster! Small world. Didn't expect that the first thing I would see was my name in Utah! hahaha. Getting there with the swing, slowly but surely. Will let you know the results of my next practice round. Surge's first today of GBSAPS,ie, the grip. Just sat and watched a little of the Snrs Open in England, sitting with the ruler in my hands hahaha~! And why not? Hit 'em straight consistently R2.DH in sunny NZ

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Submitted by Dragonhead on

Hi R2 in Utah,
After watching Snedecker win this morning and then the last part of the Seniors Open in England, we went to the course. 18 enjoyable holes once I slowed down and started 'doing it right' A couple of Birdies, plus a couple of holes where I hit the pin from around 110 yds and 135yds resulting in tap in Pars. Some so-so shots from the sodden rough after last night's hard frost, but that was my fault not the rough,ie, arms and no shoulder turn!!! Naughty, naughty me.
On the 'One and Toe' cadence? Putting and Chipping? Unbelievable. A couple of putts pin high but 20yds across the green on one. It rocketed in and never looked like going anywhere else. I found my putting far more aggressive today. Chipping? I chipped from awkward angles to pins and either ended up tapping in. Again hit the pins a couple of times as well.
A lot of positives to carry with me the next time we go to the course, likely to be Wednesday our time. Thanks for the feedback on your use of the One and Toe timing to putt. I carried it one step farther by using it when chipping and it did me proud. I used to years ago use a 7iron for chipping and was good at it. That fell into disuse with a different 7iron. Well today I ressurected the 7iron using the cadence and it was impeccable. It is now the club of choice for chipping. The 17deg driving iron has been benched for the time being : - )
Hope that you are still finding the form from your last outing. Go get 'em R2, hit them straighter more consistently in Utah.
Regards DH in Sunny,after a hard frost, Shaky [another 5.4 in the early hours this morning.We slept through it hahaha ; - ] NZ

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Submitted by reedclfd on

DH: Interesting idea about using the "one and toe" for chipping. I'm going to try it in a couple of days when I play my next round and see what happens. Seems like this timing sequence/cadence works for everything!! It has helped me slow down my BUS and it has smoothed-out my entire swing, whether it be with any club or the putter. Amazing, just amazing!! It's funny that you chip with your 7-iron; so do I! Works great and i'm really comfortable using it from anywhere around the green. Sounds like your days are cooling off and you are still rockin 'n rollin :-(( No fun! Keep on playing and as always, hit 'em straight! R2

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

ok, I will stop lurking a bit to pass this on. I have been using PPGS for a long time now. I usually play 3 rounds a week. I attended a "Spring Tune up" in April with the Surge and Mike in Charlotte. My swing was not great but alignment wasn't bad. I have been working hard on swing, mostly just swinging to tempo and quit trying to KILL it. July was my best month ever.

When I started the PPGS, I was lucky if I could get down to 100. Since learning the basics, I could get into the 90's, just from better alignment. My goals this summer was to get to 80. In July I was pretty consistently hitting mid to high 80's , and after following Kenny Knox's short game and really working on that and putting, I shot an 80. The last 6-7 rounds, I was back up high 80-low 90 and i knew my alignment was still good, but why was I hitting so bad again?

dang it, over swinging like a wild man. I rarely get out and just practice because I am playing those 3 times a week with the seniors group in a dogfight.
I mowed an acre of my land and keeping it mowed just to have a place to practice swing in tempo without the pressure of a game. I won over $150 in July in dogfights, and my points went up. (stableford scoring and handicap).
Last night I just practiced tempo and a gap wedge,

Today I went to course and no dogfight because of tournament this afternoon, so I solo'd a round just to work on tempo on course. The first 9 I had a birdie a couple pars and 2 bogies and 4 worse. I played the 10th hole and had caught up with a foursome, had to wait for them to clear green, but got up and down for par. I caught them at 11th tee and they were waiting for a real SLOW foursome ahead. Turns out they were friends of mine and say, hey, it's slow, just play with us.

I hit the best drive in weeks, then a hybrid to 8 feet from the pin and made a birdie. They said they weren't going to let me play with them anymore.

I was forgetting all my normal swing thoughts and just going tempo, tempo.

Parred the next hole and the we got to a par 3 over water. Choked up on a PW and "tempo" click, and jarred it. My first "ACE" ever. not even a bounce, just clunk straight in. I shot the back nine in 2 over par. Glad they let me join them so I had 4 witnesses for the shot.

I don't care about other instructors or techniques. I know the PPGS works for me. I made my goals I already set for this summer, to shoot 80 and shoot an "ACE". Now my new goal is to break 80.

Thanks y'all for letting me ramble on again, haven't done so in a while. I will be back to just lurking and learning again.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi on

Congratulations Mike, on a fine ace. Hope its just the start of many more to come, & you dont have to shout the bar, when the clubhouse is full. Looks like you are really enjoying your golf at the moment. I wish I could play 3 days a week, but will have to wait for my time to come. Hav'nt seen you here for a while. Too busy playing golf I guess.

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

I read the comments and watch all the videos nearly every day. Today was just a special day that I wanted to share. Most of the guys I play with, even tho we all play multiple times a week, just don't care to talk much golf. I mention PPGS all the time, but no one seems to want to get better, Their loss, my gain.

I am still trying to improve. My biggest problem is my brain, not much of it left but I am working on the mental aspects of the game. I always play better when I can keep my concentration up.

Anyone ever come to South Carolina, get in touch. I am always up for a game. Would love to play with other surgites.

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Submitted by Wayne Coolidge on

Mike, Where in SC do you live? I just spoke with Don and he gave me permission to reveal a little secret about coming attractions on the web site that will enable you to meet and play with fellow Surgites in your area. There is a Peak Performance virtual golf club in the works that will put you in touch with other Surgites world wide and will have many additional amenities for instance a mechanism for establishing a handicap. It is in the discussion stage and there is no time table as to when it will be available but it is one of the many improvents and enhancements planned for ss.com.

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Submitted by Wayne Coolidge on

Mike, Where in SC do you live? I just spoke with Don and he gave me permission to reveal a little secret about coming attractions on the web site that will enable you to meet and play with fellow Surgites in your area. There is a Peak Performance virtual golf club in the works that will put you in touch with other Surgites world wide and will have many additional amenities for instance a mechanism for establishing a handicap. It is in the discussion stage and there is no time table as to when it will be available but it is one of the many improvents and enhancements planned for ss.com.

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

I live just outside of Greenwood. I can drive to Doc's place in just about an hour. I am a member at Stoney Point on Lake Greenwood.

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Submitted by reedclfd on

Mike: Way to play and congrats on getting that first Ace! And I certainly agree with you - the PPGS is the real deal and it works, plain and simple! My handicap was up around 23 when I started this swing. Now it's down to 11. I'm playing the best golf of my life, and i'm 69 this year. Anyway, keep on hitting 'em straight and have a super weekend! R2

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Submitted by Robert Fleck on

Congratulations on the ace, Mike! You can ramble every time you get one. ;-)

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Submitted by Terry Medley on

Let me add my congrat's on your Ace Mike, and best wishes for your breaking of 80 this year as well. One of my goals as well. I have broken 80 only once in the past, but never had an Ace. I get close now and then and have hit the pin several times, but no closure. As for the breaking 80, close there too, but always manage to have a hole ot two blow up on me.

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

Terry, That is the problem I am working on. I know I can make pars and birdies on every hole. I just can't do them all in the same round. I know I can hit it, so that means it is mental lapses that cause the "blow ups" At least, that's my story and I am sticking to it.

I am hoping I live long enough and get a lucky game or two to be able to shoot my age before I die. That is the LONG term goal. Be well.

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Submitted by Dragonhead on

Congratulations on your ACE Mike! Well done and now for target number two.
Good luck on the second target, the sooner the better. Lurking? Hahaha! Sounds like a certain top player who the media say is 'lurking', when he is not doing too well. In your case, better that, than missing all the tips from Surgites. Keep on hitting them longer, straighter, consistently. Regards a fellow Surgite who allows his brain to give him a hard time. ; - ) Good to see you back. DH

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Mike, I have been out of town and computer free for the last few days but i wanted to congratulate you on your ace and good playing lately. I have been reading everyones comments and enjoying catching up on the blog. Great to hear your comments and keep hitting the ball well.

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Submitted by boogmc on

Hi Mike, I just wanted to congratulate you on here as I did on FB on your ace!
I.myself, have gone into lurk mode it seems. I haven't played a round or any golf for that matter since my re-injury back in September. I keep up with the blog as you do, just don't comment much, just to enough to let everyone know we're alive & well down here in 'bama. I check in on the blog every couple of days,spend most of my time reading the latest golf book that gets endorsed on here and hobbling after Josh.
Congrats again, my friend, next time I up in SC I'll give you a call.

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Still catching up on the blog. It's great to hear from you my friend. Hobbling after Josh eh? That'll keep ya busy for sure. Glad you are still checking in here and yes you are still part of the Surge family. Take care Boog:) hope the family is well.

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Submitted by boogmc on

Robert, Great to hear from you too, my friend. We for the most part are good,I had to take an early retirement due my many physical ailments but it's given me some precious time with Josh. His is a rapidly expanding world trying to deal with his aspergers/autism. He is fully aware that,while he is normal, he is not typical in some aspects and Leisa & I are helping him to cope as new realizations come to him.
He still seems to love this fickle game we all play and when I can, I take him to the pasture across the way to hit some balls or he chips and putts here in the house.
So, yeah, life is still good for the Boogers, I hope you & Cindy are well too.

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Submitted by resumez@cox.net on

to ALL:

Here in the Phoenix AZ area it is Monsoon season. The Bermuda grass sure seems to thrive on the Hot, Humid and Wet weather. The fairways at San Marcos are in the best condition I have seen in years, and the green are coming around, specially on the back nine.
Played in the early morning - scored 43 +40 = 83 -- 1 birdie, 5 pars, 1 1bogies and 1 double bogie. hit 2 greenside bunkers, got 1 sandy -- 10 one putts, 0 three putts for 26 putts used . Driving average was way down due to the lusher softer fairways -- 10 of 14 fairways hit with a 158 yd average. Fortunately I was "killing" my FW -- and sinking a lot of putts too.
The 83 felt so good, that being a "glutton for punishment", I decided to go around again. The first 15 holes felt good - but by the time I got 16 tee, I was feeling the heat and humidity -- finished double bogie, bogie, par (with a 25 foot par putt made) Anyway, I managed a 43+42 = 85 the second time around. I had 1 birdy, 4 pars, 12 bogies and 1 double bogie. 1 greenside bunker, 0 sandy. Again hit 10 of 14 fairways with 155 yd avg -- (maybe it was the heat and fatigue? ) 7 one-putts, 0 three putts = 29 putts used.

One interesting think did occur -- both birdies were on the same hole - the 13th -- a short par 3 over water that is usually a "feast or famine" hole for me. Today it was FEAST!!

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG
Amos

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

I grew up in Tucson and lived there for over 20 years. Unfortunately I only played golf once in all those years. I didn't get bitten by the bug till I was well over 40 and only serious the last 4-5 years.

Good stats. I love it when the ball does what you are trying to make it do.

I heard one stat a long time ago that I don't know if true, but that of all golfers, only 10% can break 100. Welcome to the less than 10% club. ;-)

That keeps me going.

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Hello Amos. Sounds like you're still getting in some decent golf and continuing to do well around the greens. I continue to have some up and down days with the putter. Never ending quest. I have been doing well off the tee and with the irons to the green. I'm due for a good day putting, maybe this week.

Keep chippin' em close and making those putts.
Robert M.

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Submitted by resumez@cox.net on

Mike:

I have heard that stat before -- only 10% of all golfers can break 100. I think it may be true, if you play "strict rules of golf" -- no Mulligans, play it as it lies, no "gimmies" on the greens, etc. The main reason in, my opinion, is that most golfers are not wiling to "pay the price" in terms of practice to develop the necessary skills -- specially true in the short game.
I once heard the great Warren Spahn say "You don't learn to pitch until you lose your fastball" -- In golf, it would be "you don't really learn the short game until you lose your long drive". It constantly amazes me how many people can hit the long ball, but are totally lost when they are near the green or in the bunker, etc . An old geezer like me can usually keep up with them due to a very good short game - but I may have play from the seconds tees to do it! lol I usually play from the seconds tees anyway.

Amos

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Submitted by Mike Hertel on

I have to play by the rules, otherwise it is not golf. guys I play with sometimes will have a fudge or two but I try to play by all the rules as I know them. I am not sure I could stand up to TV scrutiny like Tiger, but I do my best.
My course really promotes play it forward for your skill level tees. I play from the senior tees.
You're right also about the short game. I have made more score improvements on those shots from 100 yards in. I never was long hitter.

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Submitted by NeilofOZ on

Surge, I know you keep reminding us about the manuals, but seriously the most efficient methodology in learning any game is by way of "one on one" coaching with the aid of videos.
Takes me back many years when I took up cricket later in life and hadn't a clue about any bat/club ball game. Bought a heap of books and read them over and over in the off season. Became an extremely defensive player, could stay for long periods in the niddle, but never put big runs on the board, ie I gave myself the wrong messages. Sure, manuals are a good start but if you didn't have a sporting background as a kid and really want to achieve in this game, then get yourself some PPGS coaching with videos.

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Submitted by TinaB on

I emailed Don about a week ago with a take on his "notebook" drill, but using a yardstick instead. Just like using it for grip, it quickly shows you faults in the backswing. When I used it, I immediately realized I had been over-turning my hands (rather that keeping perpendicular) to the toe-line, because, as Surge said, all of a sudden the yardstick wasn't straight up and down. AND I also discovered, that I was actually not turning my shoulders ENOUGH in but BUS! When I quit turning the club inside, and checked the line of the butt end of the club, it was barely to my toeline - hence the causes of my persistent slice. (Dave corrected this in my lesson last year, but I had failed to maintain it). You can also see what the wrists should look like at the top with a " square" clubface. I did a LOT of practice with the yardstick, progressing to a full swing. Lots of reps and lots of mirror checking.
Regarding the manuals: WHy read them? Here's why: I was going through mine, and pp. 13-15 jumped out at me. I asked Don to address this in a daily because I have not seen it: the BUS starts not with the "forward" (arm and shoulder muscles) but with the "back" (torso and hip) muscles. I have for years started my swing with the left shoulder. I thought..hmmm.what if I try starting the swing with my left hip? OMG. The difference was amazing. All of a sudden I had this true one piece take away, with NO excess tension in the arms, and could get "in the mitt and up the tree" SO easy. So I did a LOT of work on that, too, and the combination and the results in the shot improvement was amazing. LONG, STAIGHT, teeny draw!
My keys: "Post" (PLHR and set the knees - NO sway), "turn" (start swing with hip and torso and get to the arches with butt of club) and then GO!
LONG and STRAIGHT!. WHOO HOO. So THAT's why you need the manual!
And the yardstick. And the mirror.
And I know exactly what I did and need to work on to be sure I can keep making those great shots, too! Doesn't get much better than that!

Thanks to Surge!

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Tina,

Wonderful to read about your progress and thanks for sharing what has helped you lately. Keep it down the middle:)

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Question for the Surge Nation:

Has anyone out there used Anatabloc yet and if so have you noticed any positive results?

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Submitted by Kevin McGarrahan on

I haven't, but Fred Couples thinks it's the greatest thing and has rejuvenated his game.

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Thanks Kevin, yes well aware of Couples use and approval. I have done my research too as I do with all suppliments.

Just curious if we have any local Surge Nation users yet and thier observations from actual use.

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Submitted by Wayne Coolidge on

Anatabloc uses 2 grams of a substance called anatabine to reduce pain symptoms associated with arthritis and inflammation. It is a lesser plant alkaloid similar to those in tobacco and peppers among other plants. In fact the chemical structure is nearly identical to nicotine. I have researched anatabine because I was considering using it in the anti inflammation component of a Nitric Oxide supplement that I have formulated. The body of evidence supporting its utility is quite impressive in both lab and animal studies. Two reasons that I did not use it is the lack of human clinical trials and its expense. It would cost twice as much as necessary for me to use it. There is a human clinical study scheduled to see if anatabine reduces anti inflammatory markers in humans. My guess from the anecdotal and other research data is that it will. The study listed below intends to use only 1 gram of anatabine. If a lower dosage works or if demand is high I will formulate a more comprehensive and definitely less expensive anti inflammation supplement for Surge Nation.

Official Title: A 12-week Multi-site Trial of the Dietary Supplement Anatabine (RCP006) to Determine the Effects on Peripheral Markers of Inflammation in Patients With Elevated Levels of C-reactive Protein (CRP)

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Wayne,
Thanks for your input. Yes not cheap but if it helps it is worth it for me.
I read similar if not the same med report(s) too. Very interesting and the majority of comments from users are very positive for ailments even beyond typical inflamation complaints.
I have already ordered it today. Was interested if any one we know has trialed it. Your thoughts are helpful. Thanks.

Update: We just left the GNC store. My wife wanted to try it too and if you are a member at GNC it is 79.99 instead of 99.99. My order on line was tax and shipping free so 79.99 as I got the monthly order. We just took our first two Anatabloc lozenges.
I guess we will be the PPGS guenie pigs.

BTW, I have tried many different natural products the last few years.I am big into research and do my homework before taking anythng. We also are into health over all and eat a primarily alkaline diet and the recomended none inflamatory diet. That along with excersise and yoga. However lately, bursitus, arthritis and wear and tear that work and life causes has caught up to us. I still work full time as a massage therapist. Always open to and looking for options for health. Natural where ever possible. Even tried the coconut oil:) and many other good ideas. Many as recomended by fellow Sutgites like Terry and DH. All help a little.

I will stop use of all other products while trialing the Anatabloc so we can give a full report to everyone in a few weeks (hopefully sooner)

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Submitted by ostrogoth on

What is your opinion of the new golf training aid called TOURANGLE144°?

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Submitted by KTill UK on

Anyone got thoughts on the elbow position after correct grip is taken? (I know not directly related) But do the elbows point at the hips at address or at the front and back toe line ....?

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Thanks for asking that question. On most occasions I automatically look to the greatest free golf library on the internet. Oh it's right here on this site and might be one of the most under utilized tools for not only answering questions but for rediscovering amazing jewels of knowledge. This one is from 4 years ago dating 7/26/09. This was before the audio messages were common and long before occasional vidoes became a weekly and even daily occurrence. I really appreciated those written deliveries because it forced us to visualize what Surge described. We had to use our imaginations.

So here, use your senses. Grab a club and mimic what you read and I have a feeling your back elbow will begin to find it's position not only at address but throughout the swing. In this one we actually read about a KEY to getting vertical too.

https://www.swingsurgeon.com/daily-video-tips/fad-forward-arm-dominant

If you liked this classic from the archives please learn to use it freely and often. If you don't know how it is as simple as going to the top right side of this page and just under the log in or log out word(s) put in the main word or thought you seek. To find the above I put in- elbows at address

Here's what that page looked like

https://www.swingsurgeon.com/search/node/elbows%20at%20address

You'll notice that the FAD article was one out many covering some aspect of the set up and swing involving the word elbow. .
By asking that question you caused me to look up and research and learn and grow personally. Thanks. Hope you benefit too and utilize this source often.

Note; The terms FAD/BAD was changed to the 'Master Set Up' about two years ago.

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Submitted by Robert Meade on

Taking Surges advice that we can practice our grip even while sitting on the couch I did just the last night while we watched a movie. I have the Swing Rite Trainer that includes the training grip that Surge demonstrated. So I also had a wedge and my driver handy. I then alternated between each going from the training grip to normal grips. Then after the movie I went to the 'back yard driving range' and hit balls with the practiced grip. I didn't realize how far off I had become compared to the grip hold on the trainer. Every time I use it I feel like my left hand is cranked over in a much stronger position and that the right hand is more on top. But that is suppose to be the correct grip so I will once again do my best to replicate it while playing in the coming days. I'll need to once again bring along the Swing Rite while playing and grip it briefly before taking my actual club again. We'll see.

Here is the Swing Rite and also the driver Doc recommends and builds in person or long distance. Of course he can actually build you an entire set of clubs long distance.

http://www.thegolfstop.net/Products.html