Club Across Chest Drill

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 18:52 -- Don Trahan

One of our Surgites wrote in a question regarding a drill he saw on the Golf Channel. The drill he was referring to was a rotational drill that involves holding a club across your chest and rotating back and through in order to get a feel for the proper body rotation. He explained the drill in great length and ultimately wanted to know if this drill falls within the confines of the Surge Swing.

The drill wants you to cover the ball with your right shoulder (right handed golfers) at impact and then chase it to the target. This is all rotational and all wrong for the Peak Performance Golf Swing. If you tried to execute the bump and used this technique to cover the ball, you would end up too far in front of the ball and lack balance. But, that doesn't mean we can't incorporate this drill into learning the Surge Swing. We just have to alter the drill so that it conforms with how we swing the club. We explode the club into the ball from behind, not from on top or ahead of it.

So, even though the drill that was in question doesn't apply to Surge Swingers the way it was originally being taught, it can be changed to comply with the way we swing the club and can still help you feel the vertical swing.

Keep it vertical,

The Surge!

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Submitted by Hank on

I must say this was one of the better Swing doctor's analysis. I just have not been able to generate the same amount of power with this swing. I am 5' 9" and 170 pounds and in the top 5% fitness level for my age group.

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www.Flexcin.com
I swear by this stuff. Tried it all. Nothing as far as suppliments seemed to do anything until I had this recomended right here by one of our fellow bloggers. I feel a big difference sense using this on a regular basis. Add this to whatever else you do.

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Submitted by Dave Everitt (not verified) on

Surge,

Thanks for the modified club across the chest drill video.  It does a great job of clarifying the difference at impact between the Surge and rotational swings.  If you wanted to drive a carpenter's wedge under a door your video showed what the impact position of the body and right side  would have to be.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Very good stuff Dick. Only in America does this happen. Towards the end I thought "all they need to do is make them sound like v8s", & bugga me there it was

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

DH, this move demonstrated in the last minute of the video really does remind me of the rock skipping feeling too, Only it also gives the added element of the square shoulder awareness too. Having the club in that posiition across the upper chest and seeing the club go up and up each ens at a time while staying behind the ball and keeping the head still, well it all seemed to click for me this evening. I'm realltyexcited about practice and play in the next few days.

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Submitted by Dstansbery (not verified) on

I'm not sure I could even hit the ball one handed with a driver, but maybe a shorter club. I'm going to give it a try. It looks like you may have shortened your back swing a little with the two handed swing since the earlier videos you posted. It's nice to have a railroad trestle in your back yard to hang nets and your PVC ring on. I bought a pop up net that uses the tent rods for support, and the wind has broken once already. The weather has been decent enough a few times this winter to go out and hit a few.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Thanks very much T.  Have checked out the amazon site & looks like the BandIT & the Flexbar together will give best results. I dont mind when golf interferes with work, but when work interferes with golf we have a problem.  Hope your recovery is going well.
    
Cheers Russty

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Hi Robert & Steve.  About 2 years ago I was told by the doctors I had to go on cholesterol medication & decided to try resveratrol instead & have stayed off the medication as my cholesterol has stayed down.
 I have been able to manage my ongoing & sometimes severe lower back problems in that time & only had trouble a couple of months ago after running out of resveratrol. I'm now back on track & takeing a stronger dose.  It is'nt cheap at a couple of bucks a day, but what price do you put on your health. If I'm unable to work from a buggerd back , then it looks pretty cheap.
 Cheers Russty

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Submitted by dgaines on

Russ,
A good neck to hand massage works great for the tendons. Our tendons tend to get tangled and gnarled up with each and not all run in parallel lines like they should. Rubbing a golf ball in to the sore tendons helps to straighten and stretch the tendons out. Work on the bicep muscles as well.

I used the bandit for years, and it helped, but massage is 10 times better.

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Submitted by Dragonhead (not verified) on

 Hey Robert Meade, Take your point from the 6'-30" part of today's video. If it helps, why not. I like the hand at impact and bringing in the rear 'cactus arm' into that position. With my accordion set up PLHR I am behind the ball to start with ; - )
Call me fickle, but I prefer to continue as I am doing at present. Pick 'n Mix between different tips, can be confusing and distracting. Prefer to continue what I have been doing for the past couple of days. If it cranks your handle, go for it. PMGAS

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

 To start with a short club and even without a ball is the best thing to do.
It will let you very quickly feel if the club ever gets out of the "light" position even by a little bit.

I started to take that frame for my batting cage down when we gave up baseball for golf but I'm glad I left it there. It comes in handy.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Thanks Robert.  I'm happy that the CM8 is working for you. It was T Medley & I that put you on to it, going back a while. I think CM8 is aimed towards arthritic  relief mainly, but would deffinitely try it if it helps.  I've been takeing Resveratrol for a while now & deffinitely noticed a difference when I ran out a while back & ordered more quick.
www.abouthealth.co.nz

Cheers Russty

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Submitted by paul bartolotta (not verified) on

I had    a total hip replacement on my right hip 3 months ago, I am to see the doctor in 2 weeks and am wondering if my followthrough will be a problem.Thank you paul,one of your students

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

 I had 2 different ones on there so I don't know which one he was referring to.

I deleted the most recent one. Sometimes I go through and delete the ones that not many people are watching just to "clean house" a little.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Hi DH    Any tips on how to play golf with tendinitis in the left elbow?  Last round I played every full shot went right. Either straight right or started straight & then faded right. All a bit frustrating

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

I take Resveratrol every day.

I don't usually put much stock in studies on mice but a couple of years ago I saw a study where they gave one group of mice Resveratrol and didn't for another and when the mice got older and were running on a treadmill the difference in both the way they looked and the stamina they had was too striking for me to ignore and I ordered some that day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

It was too late to help my looks any (ha ha) but may have something to do with why I can hike mountain trails all day and never get tired when even the young people are dragging.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

 WD 40 doesn't help much on 4" and 6" nut's driven on and off with 2" Drive impacts, that have to be suspended from a crane hook to use. A lot of heat from a torch and heavy impact hammering is the only choice other than just cutting them off with the torch. WD 40 is good around the shop and home, but rarely used in industry. Actually PB blaster is the best industrial penetrate used for such purposes, on smaller jobs.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Little trick that surprisingly not that many people know:

Everybody knows that if there is an old rusty nut and bolt if they heat the nut it will expand and make it easier to take off.

Not many people know to heat the nut and/or bolt and then to rapidly pour water or some other coolant (colder the better) on the heated area.

Most of the time after doing that you can take the nut off by hand.

One of the smartest guys I ever knew taught me that one.

Another "trick" if there is a bolt broken off in a dead end drilled and tapped hole where you don't want to destroy the threads in the hole:

Heat the bolt until a liquid surface with the cutting torch but just before pulling the oxygen trigger quickly turn off the flammable gas and pull the oxygen trigger at the same time. The oxygen will burn the bolt and blow it back out of the hole but won't touch the threads because they are not hot enough to burn without the flammable gas present.

Dumbest guy I ever knew taught me that one. Also taught me that we can learn something from everyone (as long as we listen and don't already know it all).

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Russty Kiwi,
                 Hi, It sounds like you have not got the swing off successfully yet? When I get the results you are experiencing, it is usually because I am "over the ball" and not behind it as I should be. Check out the 'in he mitt and up the tree' positions. Mainly the first one. I found VERY recently that I was going too far in the direction of the SBG before lifting!!! As soon as I started lifting almost from only an inch or two inside the TARGET line on the BUS and 'skipped the rock' in the FUS, the results were instantaneous. Long and straight,ie, full 9 iron from it's 100yds average,out to 150yds with hardly any effort at all. As long as I slowed down my swing to 80% on the BUS and then went through the above mentioned skipping a rock up to the T finish,it all just happened.
                 Using different muscles and tendons not used for a while not doing it right, are probably on a par with my tendons and muscles doing it right for a change. I use Tiger balm on those areas before play. My wife uses a bone hammer like handle on our back scratcher after a good session on my back,feet,legs,shoulders,neck and arms. Sometimes she does the back only and I do the rest. A good hard 'tapping' like this and I wake in the morning with little if any discomfort at all on muscles given a good couple of hours concentrated practice or a round.
                The tendonitis dependent on the severity, may need a medico to assess it. If it is just sore after playing etc,then a gentle pummeling may give you relief. I was sceptical about the hard tapping at first.Thought maybe I was being punished covertly, hahahaha. Kidding. Now I have her do it all the time.
Probably Robert Meade may cast some light on the efficacy of this treatment.
Hope this helps in some way. Good Luck.
Remember Roy Reed's mantra GBSAPS,  ie, back to those basics, paying particular attention to the big 'A' : -)   PMGAS

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Submitted by Jscocco (not verified) on

NeilofOz,   I would like to check out steve's one handed drill.  When was it posted? I can't seem to find it. Can you help?   Thanks,   Joe S. Mt. Arlington. NJ

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Submitted by NeilofOz (not verified) on

This One For Steve,
Thanks heaps mate for showing me that one handed drill, took it to the course yesterday and did a quick nine hole warm-up for an 18 holer this friday, our annual chippies V painters golf day. Did not go in bush at all, was hitting greens in regulation and additional power also.
Just prior to tee-off I do three pratice swings as you showed, then walked up to the tee and bang!, kept on looking sideways to see where the ball was going and lost it, the ball was
going dead straight, now the left hand just goes along for the ride, LOL.

All you Surgites, just have a look at Steve's video and give it a try, it's change my game in
a matter of days.

 

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Submitted by Boogm (not verified) on

Seeing how last night was payday, my 3rd on this outage and I've been a good boy, I decided to treat myself to the Kenny Knox short game series. I have watched the first three segments and all I can say is impressive. Were it not for the fact I need to be up in 5 hours I would watch them all.I'm happy I added them to my library and I can't wait until tomorrow morning so I can watch a couple of more. Great work and tips to everyone involved and thanks Surge for getting a wizard to lead us in shaving strokes near the greens.
 Have a good day everyone and I'll check in again soon,stay in the present!
 

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Russty:

In past years, due to repetitive motion and over use of impact tools, I have suffered with tendinitis in both elbows off and on. Regular forearm stretching exercises, and this particular elbow band during play were very helpful. I've tried many styles of bands over the years and found this type to offer the most relief during play. Fortunately, mine was always work induced and I have had no trouble since retiring in 2009. Good luck, I know exactly what a bear it can be. At times I could not even lift a coffee mug without severe pain.
http://www.healthykin.com/show...

EDIT; A quick check at Amazon shows it for $15.00 plus s/h
http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Band...

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Submitted by GIL on

Trouble getting the bump down?  Just stay behind the ball!

This Surgism simply CANNOT be overemphasized.

I wish I'd learned this sooner.  Though I can easily do the skip-the-rock drill, once I was swinging with a ball on the ground, everything went haywire.  What I thought was starting with a little hip bump seemed to always turn into big hip and shoulder rotation, over the top, left pointing divots, belly button and club shaft pointing WAY left of the target on recoil and relax.

Surge had a video a while back talking about keeping the head BEHIND the ball at impact, and it struck me "Hey, I don't think I'm doing that." This seemed to sink in more as I watched the Don/DJ split screen swing videos.

So for my last 2 range sessions, I made my main focus, after pre-load heavy-right set up, to consciously keep my head behind the ball when starting the FUS.  It actually makes it feel like the swing is starting with my arms.  Contact improved instantly, with high soft shots, and lots of distance. 

And what I am able to see is that my hips ARE bumping after all.  Surge has been saying for years that those of us who  have bump trouble should forget concentrating on the bump: just do the skip-the-rock drill or concentrate on swinging up, and the bump will happen automatically.

Up to now, that has been unsuccessful for me. 

So any similar strugglers out there, my advice is forget the conscious bump, and replace that with a VERY conscious holding of your head behind the ball.  This is the first time I'm not rotating, and the ball flight shows it. And the swing feel effortless compared to all that over the top I was doing.

 There is still a slight fade on a few shots, with some divots slightly deeper than I'd like and still slightly left on occasion.  But this is a massive change for me.

Maybe some of you can help me work those final kinks out at the April Tournament.  I'll be there, and can't wait.!

Finally, loving the Kenny Knox short game, and looking forward to instituting that as well as my new FUS in a round this weekend.

Comments welcome.  :)

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

 Thanks for the video Dick, I love it. I know folks in The Villages and will have to forward this to them.

PMG

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

Thanks mate,   Might give it a pummeling & see if it frees up . I should have explained better as the elbow problem is work related not golf, but I'm not in a position to stop work so I can focus on golf just yet, dam it. Have started rubbing anti inflam on & it has'nt got real bad, but seems to throw my swing, or more likely my rotation off. I thought of altering my grip a bit to compensate, but dont want to start any bad habits. PMWL [ play more, work less]

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Submitted by Robert F (not verified) on

Steve's drill is not on the Swing Surgeon site. It's on his YouTube channel. Just click Steve Smith's name above any of his comments and it will link you to his YouTube channel.

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

 Steve

I must have missed the drill Neil is writing about.  Where can I find it?

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Submitted by Dragonhead (not verified) on

Skipping a rock yesterday had my distance increasing by a huge amount yesterday. 9 iron started at 90yds and in the end was out to 150yds with the rock skipping in full flow. So why, Oh! why would I want to imitate Charlie Hoffman? Screwing myself into the ground trying to do it, would have me in agony for days if not longer.
Surge is right to make us aware of this. Knew it already,but some may not.
Charlie Hoffman needs a haircut, he looks el stupido without a hat ; - ) 

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Submitted by Dragonhead (not verified) on

 TM, Always interested in other treatments for muscular and tenon ailments. Good for Carpal tunnel problems too. Should mine rear it's ugly mug again,I might even try one myself.
I will off and have some food and then have an in house pummeling from my PLA trained torturer ; - ) Bless her hahaha.
Know the feeling re coffee mug mate. Before leaving China, had cupping and acupuncture and massage for ten sessions. Prior to that I couldn't lift either hand up to clean my teeth or comb my hair. Now, good as gold. Tiger Balm before exercising seems to work for me. Amazing how long such a little jar lasts too. Have a great day DH

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Yes, I spend 30yrs working at all mechanical maintenance trades in a steel mill. I hired in as a pipe fitter apprentice, but before my apprenticeship ended they decided to combine all of the mechanical craft and trade fields into one and cross trained everyone into the many different areas. I suddenly became a pipe fitter, rigger, millwright, sheet metal worker, welder and fabricator, carpenter, etc, etc. Anything that was not consider electrical, suddenly became my problem and field area.

Like you say, We all learned more from the old timers with no formal education, than we did from the so called skilled cross trainers they hired. Little, often unknown tricks, can save time and a lot of frustration, especially when the production line is down, and the boss is counting on your crew to get them back up and running again. All they want is Fix it and Fix it Now.

PMG

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Submitted by shortgamewizard (not verified) on

Watching today's video made me hurt so bad that I will need to see my chiro-popper to get straightened up!

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Thanks Dan, as a professional massage therapist now for 12 years I have recomended massage many times on this blog. Glad to have you second it. massage is under rated and under utilized by most. It is actually more affordable than ever and much better than drugs:)

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

Surge Nation

What a great drill.  No wonder I love this guy.

Golf carts, did someone say golf carts.

Watch this video.  Prepare to wet yourselves.  These folks should spend more time working on their swings and less time driving their carts.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Qrpq5...

Some people just have too much time on their hands.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

 I imagine the EPA wouldn't have liked us much but we all kept a can of freon in our welding bucket to cool off the hot cherry red nuts and bolts so we could get them apart.

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

 Coach

Thanks as always. 

What are you still doing up, go to bed man.

I am headed that way myself.

Dick

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Submitted by Keith Kent (not verified) on

Club across the chest I have used to get a reference point and visual of where a 70 deg turn should stop.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

By all means DH. We get such a banqette of wonderful tips to choose from from Don's generousity.

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

 Coach

If you are constantly having to use an impact tool to get something off, then you are dating the wrong women.

Hit them with a little WD 40, give them about 10 minutes to soften up then try again. 

Hey, it works for me,
Dick

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

There is no EPA present inside the gates or walls of a steel mill(The real world)when something needs to be done. We did many things that they would have frowned on and fined us for, had they know. Especially in our waste collection and containment areas. Nuff said.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Fell into a late night pattern after my surgery and having no need or ability for day time activity. Things are much quieter and pleasant at night. I am heading to bed myself though very soon.

Good night Dick, pleasant dreams.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Surge, Cindy and I just watched the lesson of the day and wow, I really like your "Surge way" adaptation. Got out of my lazy chair and grabed a club, put it across my shoulders and love the way it made me feel the level shoulders coming from the inside and staying behind the ball until impact. It really gives the correct feeling from the top to the ball impact position. I often have the challenge of not coming from the inside and keeping my shoulders square sufficiently while bumping and then over turning after impact. This drill really has me feeling more in the correct postions at impact and then firing up to the T finish from there. This is something we can do at home,the range and on the course before shots or while waiting our turn on the tee. I have rewatched from the 6:30 minute mark in this lesson several times and that's where the biggest impact of this lesson lies for me.
Thanks

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Thanks Russty. I'd forgotten who steered me to the flexcin. I will add the Reservatrol to my future cionsiderations. Many of the ingredients are very familiar to me as I've done them to but not the specific propritory ingredient. Like cm8 it must be the difference.
What has it done for you that you can notice?
Inflamation in it's many nasty forms is at the root of most of our physical challenges.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Awesome Dick!
Couldn't decide which one I want. What a cool way to finish up.
Riding along in my automobile, no particular place to go.  Fun stuff.
Yhanks for that:)

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

 Coach

I know that feeling from my days and months after my big wreck.  Time was just something I kept up with so I would know what was coming on TV.  Other than that, it made no difference to me.  I spent so many years working 4-12 shift that I am used to being up till 3 am.  The problem is now I don't get to stay in bed till noon. 

I watched the video, and will try that tomorrow at the range.

6 am will be here in 3.5 hours.  Time for me to hit the rack.

Nite Coach