One-Piece Vertical Takeaway

Dave Seeman did a great video about this a few months ago in his discussions of the Bump. The feel you're looking for is similar to taking a turn when skiing. For myself, trying to focus on any precise point on my feet would just cause problems, so I think about sliding or rolling the weight from the arch of my back foot to the outer edge of my forward foot.

Very small world, since I'm from Findlay. ;-)

Your video on the clock-face as a guide to the position of the club on the backswing was very good, but I felt it missed a very important point that was raised by Mr Crockett. Like him, I have noticed that when you swing facing the camera, your club passes beyond vertical to about 1 o'clock or even a bit further. I accept that from the rear view, the club must be at 12 o'clock. However, I have always been under the impression that the club should also be vertical when viewed from in front. If it is OK to swing a bit past vertical then this should be made clear, as it is quite difficult (and perhaps unnecessary) to limit the backswing to a 12 o'clock position viewed from front on, especially for the longer clubs. 

PHIL, for heaven's sake stop shouting!   At one time Jack Nicklaus in his heyday lost a tournie when he three putted.   He made a vow that he would never three putt again on tour and he sought out the best putter at the time for advice, a man by the name of E. Harvey Ward.   Along for the ride was a young bloke by the name of Jack Moore and he has produced a video with Surge to reveal the putting methodology of Mr Ward to the world entitled "Secrets of America's Greatest Putter", this highly recommended video (of which I desperately need to re-study as I'm a totally unco putter) can be found in Surge's shop for a very reasonable price.

Donal, I'd like to second your opinion on the Kenny Knox video.  It's a lot of information for a very reasonable price.  Kenny is a short game wizard, that has the ability  to tell us what he is doing in a very simple and easy to follow way.  A bonus is that Kennys' methods are also very compatible with the Surge swing.

Many thanks to Surge , Kenny and Tom Jans for doing this video.

Sure thing Deb. It's like getting a personal lesson from Surge or the next best thing.

Amen

Robert

   Yes I am playing a lot.. The worst part of all of this, is my Seattle friend is in town --- and I am getting tired of losing by scores of 5 and 4 - or worse.  But several matches have been decided on the 18th green also.  I think he is ahead by about 7 matches to 2 !! Arghhhhhhhhhhh! :<((  
     But  I suppose it all realtive - last summer at his place, I was beating him like a drum!!

     Amos

Ha Ha!

Gonads, Huevos, ect...

Phillip

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Thanks for the link above - it's great.  I am still puzzled about the term 3/4 - I need to picture in my mind what is 3/4 of what.  Maybe I'm a dunce but just a retired engineer - I guess I need a bright picture.  I have Surge's video's but just can't get what is 3/4.  Thanks for your comments
KyBob

I also experienced the same confusion. However it's all well explained in the Foundations Manual and in earlier Tips

 Do you realize that you can do on line lessons. Just click  the online lesson tab above.

I have never really thought about how I control things but think I try and do it with the left, with very little thought about the right side, so maybe I need to give the right side a chance.
Cheers

I agree with Robert's post below.

Along with the too big of a turn there are two points that may be related.

First from down the line you are swinging up and out instead of back and up. Outside the toe line from the get go which causes the club head to swing into the ball from outside the aim line.

Couple with from the face on view you move your head back away from the target and drop it a couple of inches. This means a compensation to move up and forward back to the address position and this causes the pop tart to happen too soon.

Hold the knees like Robert says with half swings will help a lot. Also swinging into a mitt 4 or 5 inches farther inside will help the club head path drop into the proper slot after the bump.

I once got a friend to stop the slice by showing him how to hook. The club head path is radically different and feels so inside as to be swinging 40 yards to the right of the target.

Good luck. It doesn't look like it will be as hard as you think to improve.

Greener pastures? That's what we have here in New Zealand Dick. Not bothering to go and play today. Have been out all day shopping and it is Race day near us. Too many nutty drivers on the road after having imbibed more than a wee dram or ten. Rear deck swinging will suffice for the day. Have a bit to do around the place to keep the peace hahahaha. Par for the course. Loved the last few daily videos. Last time I played the light went on. Confirmed by Surge and his short swing = short shots. Today' further confirmation of where I need to go. Have a great weekend and don't eat too much.
Tomorrow is another traditional day to eat Jiaozi [stuffed dumplings]. It may not be a cook out, but it will do ; - )
PMGAS Dick mate

Hi Robert, I will experiment next time at the range with the grip, I might find the right spot to hitting straighter, who knows it is worth a try. I do feel like I am getting closer though so hopefully it is a matter of time until I get a fluid swing going, I think this is my main problem, I haven't got a swing going yet that I could really call a swing! Cheers keith

Yes the club is light at the top & we need to have that light club to keep us out of the SBG. If surge was to release the club at the top of BUS it would fall sraight down, if we are viewing from BEHIND or DOWN THE LINE.  If viewing FACE ON & top of backswing finishes at one oclock the club would end up falling to maybe 7 oclock. To get the point that Surge is trying to get accross you need to take the FACE ON view out of the picture all  together

Had a bit of a lights come on moment while contemplating the possible reasons I have had inconsistent results with my wedges in the 100 yard range lately. As I reflected on my best results from the past many had the same thing in common. They came when I had to clear the trees or for some other need had to hit a higher trajectory. The other day on 18, a par five, I hit a really good drive, a super 3 metal to 95 yards. Then from the middle of the fairway bladed my pw and left it 20 yards short of the defenseless green. The pin was up on a second tier that required a high shot. My best short range shots are the bump and run type.                                                                                                     So here's the plan; 
Next time out this week I have decided to picture the image of a tall tree in front of my line to the hole. Having an image of the trajectory desired is what seems to work best for me.
I'll let you know how this goes.

Thanks Steve, while I prepared the answer in more sermon style you got at the point.

Wel put T. In my case my wife knows the swing and what it looks like now really well. She can tell me if I'm vertical and 3/4's and more. She honest and straight up in her observations as I have asked her to be. Actually her swing is coming along great. Having someone watch and help that is an advocate for you really helps. I think Keith has a wife who wants him to be happy and succeed so inlisiing her help is wise.

Ken,

That very fact has been Repeately made clear, and yet folks like yourself fail to properlyt understand it. That is why we preach and shout, Get The Foundatinon Manual and basic on line Digital Lesson Series. It is impossible to fully understand or use this swing system without the full course materials. We can not bit and pieces our way through the program. For a better understanding of this so Miss-Understood Swing Clock, please read the following link slowly and carefully. Note that pic 3, is the top of the BUS and Not pic 2.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Remember, a pole is vertical in 4 basic directions. Even though it may lean a little, it can still be 100% vertical from a north and south perspective while leaning toward the east or west.

Well, you get twelve incarnations and some really cool toys as a timelord, and you don't have to put up with that whole British boarding school thing. Still, wizardry is pretty good stuff.
Oops, sorry, my geek is showing.

In my opinion, this is the best video you've put out so far Surge! Your transition from the porch to the yard has been a huge improvement in your instruction! Keep up the great work!

Don,
I just watched the "One piece vertical takeaway" video. I stopped it at the top of your back swing and noticed your club was at 1:00, not 12:00. For me , I get better results when the club is at 1:00 at the top....it gives me a better resistance to hit against. Is this within the vertical swing parameters?
Fred

Phill,

Maybe one of these EIGHT OR SO PUTTING LESSONS, will provide what you are shouting for.

Folks, please, before you start asking for things already given. Learn how to use the search block on this site. Odds are what you request is already available.

http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyV...

Cant argue with that, I've had a few cook outs . Its usually the ones in prime condition that get singled out first.  Hence the saying "only the good die young" .
 No one wants a tough old bugga unless you want sausages

Rory is lurking 2 back just waiting for final round to finish it off and win by 3.

What I find frustrating is I see the swing and it makes complete sense, in my head I know what to do, but in reality I get the same results! Like I fade and slice sometimes and cannot consistently hit straight. I know that getting the club on the toe line on the FUS is key but find difficult to achieve.

DMr. Surge,
Itlooks like you are only turning your shoulders about 1/3 turn while taking the club vertically 3/4 swing.Are you actually making a full turn? I can't make a solid distance shot with such a short shoulder turn.Thanks. I hope your son does well this season.

I made it out to the tournament on Saturday. It was a bummer that I did not get to see D.J. play.

My friend had tickets for the Sky Box between the 11th and 13th greens. After watching a group play the first hole, we caught up to Dustin Johnson and Ricky Fowler's group. We watched them play 5, 6, and 7 before heading over to the Sky Box. The only bad thing in the day was walking back to the car after all of the food that we ate.

Why does this happen time after time?  Shurely people can tell the difference between face on or down the line, even after Surge explained the difference. Seems to be ongoing confusion with this topic

Rusty

Thanks for the reply. The swing in my videos is not the swing that I played with all last summer. I am a single digit handicapper some were from October through now everything went hay wire. I agree with Steve below about the shoulder turn not being correct and his suggested fix I should have known this myself but some times I need someone to smack me up beside the head. I will have this straightened out shortly. I hope anyway. 

Hi Robert, I will experiment next time at the range with the grip, I might find the right spot to hitting straighter, who knows it is worth a try. I do feel like I am getting closer though so hopefully it is a matter of time until I get a fluid swing going, I think this is my main problem, I haven't got a swing going yet that I could really call a swing! Cheers keith

My favourite Timelord was the John Pertwee version, I liked Tom Baker after and Patrick Troughton before Pertwee, but I fell away after the fourth Doctor.    I was gob smacked when my 15 y.o. niece, who is a Harry Potter fan, said she was a Doctor Who fan as well.   So I quizzed her: what does the letters in Tardis mean? Quick as a flash she replies "Time And Relative Dimensions In Space"!  Gob smacked again.   I said to her if you are chased by Darleks you can run up stairs to escape them, she replied "Oh no, they can hover about now", man that's scary! :-)

Okay with me Kevin, we all have to find what works best. Keep it down the middle Kevin.
Hope your having a great week end.

Seems like some get it and some don't.
This link bears repeating;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Try to keep your palms perpendicular to the ground throughout the swing & the turn & lift might just happen on its own. Any questions , you can go to  the search box at the top right of this page & type in what you need to know.

Love Big Bear. Was an Alpine ski instructor up there for two seasons about 10 years ago. Not much snow this year. Really nice area. Only a 3 hour drive from Las Vegas.