There's Only One Peak Performance Golf Swing

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 03:30 -- Don Trahan

Three weeks ago I did a piece on Hitting Knockdowns The Correct Way and it generated a good back-and-forth dialogue on the blog. Here's an exchange from that day between frequent commenter Keith Kent of Nottinghamshire, England and Craig Sadgrove, a.k.a. Craig63, who hails from New South Wales, Australia.

"Even though I am a committed and regular Surgite, I still do search YouTube and the 'net for video clips, and once you do, it is surprising what good stuff you come across. I have a great hunger to learn and am someone who does a heck of a lot of research and gets in deep when I put my mind to something.

When I saw this post, I went over to the "dark side" [Revolution Golf] to have a look and some of the golf 'sins', or whatever they call them, were interesting. I find most golf instruction is very similar--they all have something different which they claim as their own, but the basics should all be the same. Just because you don't want to swing with a big turn doesn't mean you won't find something useful somewhere else that will help. I have posted a couple of times on here with videos I think are worth sharing, and if Surge and Co. don't like this, they can remove them--I won't be offended as it is their site. But I don't think they are that selfish like the "dark side" was-- banning people when their customers had a difference of opinion. And yes, my IP address got banned [at Revolution Golf] so I couldn't post my support for Surge!!

Regards, Keith"

In his comment, Keith espouses the view that "most golf instruction is very similar" and that he can often find a useful pearl of wisdom in unexpected places. I can't argue the last part of his point because it's true. There are parts of golf where the mechanics of most swings are very similar--putting, chipping and short pitch shots are some that come to mind. But I feel I must issue a word of caution regarding the first part of his comment for those of you that might be tempted to take Keith's advice a tad too far.

When it comes to a full swing, there are definitely two sides of the street. There's our side, where a limited turn, 3/4 vertical swing has proven to be one that many players of varying physical ability can achieve highly consistent results in accuracy and distance. The consistency derives from the fact that the Surge Swing is based on physics (how the club works the ball) and the limits of human physiology (how your body works the club) and not on personal experience, untested theories, supposition or conjecture.

On the other side of the street, there is...well practically everyone else who believes that a big turn and a wide finish delivers better distance. And here's the important part to remember: How often do you hear the words "long distance" and "consistent accuracy" in a definition of a rotational swing? Not very often, I'll bet. Why? Because at any given time there may be several tens of thousands of pros and top ranked amateurs that could say that about their swing while the millions of other golfers around the world cannot consistently hit the ball straight. That's because the basic tenets of a rotary swing are out of alignment with the laws of physics and/or the God-given limits of what the human body can do.

And the belief that a rotational swing delivers better club head speed than a vertical swing is pure supposition and myth. A number of years ago, a Cal State-Fullerton study measured the club head velocity achieved by a group of rotational swingers against that achieved by the same set of golfers who spent less than an hour with me learning the basics of the Peak Performance Golf Swing. The key take away: The rotational swing did NOT produce more club head velocity than a PPGS. In fact, the Surge Swing delivered slightly more speed where it counts most--at the moment of impact. (The rotational swing actually decelerates and loses club head velocity as the hands release through impact.)

So, please, be careful of what you incorporate into your full swing. I would say, if you can satisfy yourself that the advice is based on good science, then by all means listen to it. If on the other hand, it doesn't do that then look at it as an example of something that you don't want in your swing.

Finally, I would like to close with Craig's elegant and simple "sniff test" when it comes to heeding a particular piece of advice:

"I'm with you Keith on this, sometimes you get to smell a nice rose amongst the BS :-) I guess the challenge, then, is to be able to distinguish between the flowers and the BS! :-()

Keep it vertical!

The Surge

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MikefromKy Go Bama. Go Irish's picture

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Ronald

I have never heard anyone say this is the only way to swing a club. But the vertical swing has been around for ever. I would suggest that you find what ever swing that works the best for you and use it. Truth be told a lot of pro's are turning to shorter more vertical swings will they all look like Don or Dj Trahan no. Will all the posters on this website look exactly  like Dj Or Don swinging the  club probably not but Don is giving us the tools to become the best that we can individually and be able to walk when are finished playing our round if this swing does not work for you then I would fined something else.

Good evening and Shank you very much
Rodger

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

I know it's an expensive and really a luxury item but has anyone out there purchased the "optishot" yet and if so was(is) it worth it?

http://www.optishotgolf.com/?s...

Another question would be does anybody have an indoor net/cage and which one?
It is not included.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

John, it is clear you have not looked a little deeper at this web site and Surges body of teaching before speaking of "hitting the ball straight all the time". Surge has spoken many times about shaping the ball and hitting it as needed in every different circumstance. If you go to "Surges Shop" above in categories you'll find several in depth lessons on working the ball, situational shots on the course and others that take us in the bunkers and out of rough, around and over trees with fades and draws, high and low shots. 
However he is guilty of focusing on hitting the ball straight to a little baby draw, his personally most common shot and the one you'll get if you learn from his instruction.
Good golfing to you!

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Craig, just last week I discovered something that did a few things. First the discovery. I found if I locked my hands and wrists(grip) with a firm determination to allow no hinging or cocking of the wrists. While still allowing rotation over and up from the toeline I found that it shortened my swing to stay within 3/4's, it then kept me out of the SBG, and it helps me come back to the golf ball with a more solid on on on strike.
I'm really exited and feel it's a breakthrough.
Now while I'm calling it a breakthrough we know the no wrist cock is not a new idea.
The difference is that I seem to now really feel a difference in application.
Simple but effective.

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Rumor has it,our biggie of the season is kicking off the last couple of days this month.Here's to both of us getting back soon, my friend!

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Robert

I would think that it is worth it. I almost bought my certified builders
system he upgraded to a new system when the article in Golf Digest came
out and he was listed as top 100. His business almost tripled because
of it and he decided to invest back into his business. He was going to
list it on ebay for 500.00 he said he would make me a better deal but
after him cleaning out my play money fund for my irons and driver I
could not afford it. 

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

John,

 Whatever folks are asking for in the way of instruction, Generally has already been given. You just need to learn how to navigate the site links and use the search block properly.

A blast from the past. Working the ball.

Part 1 Feb 19, 2010
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Part 2 Feb 20, 2010
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

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Submitted by Keith Kent (not verified) on

Hi Jim, I have yes and don't seem to ever hit the wall so don't know what's going on there but guess with the wall being in my mind forces me to be careful. I cannot take the wall to the course though, hmmm in my mind I can...
I might be more vertical than I think at times but maybe keep turning past 70* that throws me off. 

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Submitted by Dragonhead (not verified) on

Vertical swinging is the ONLY way to go. I have spoken. Surge, you have been as honest and open in today's video as you always are. No BS, just the sweet smell of success IMHO!
Today in very, very windy conditions, decided to just take a couple of clubs to the practice hole. The PW and the 9iron. Only took a handful of balls. Started from 80 yards out with the PW. First easy swing, over the back of the green, approx 100-110 yds. So down the grip to the metal shaft. Next ball less than 2'feet left and a few inches passed the pin.Next 2'feet to the right of the pin a few inches passed the pin. The next two aimed at the centre of the green, dead level pin high. So a pretty consistent striking of the ball. The four balls on the green I clipped them off the green in all four directions. Uphill, downhill, and two side hill with the first one in rough above  a mound. Chipped all five to easy one putt distance. Then walked back to the 100mtr [bejaysus I hate mtrs on a golf course] 110yds marker and with the 9iron, repeated the process. First shot hit it fat and it finished 30yds short of the green. Down the shaft again and proceeded to mortar the pin. Those four balls all on the green in one putt distance. Repeated the chipping from off the green, including the one 30yds short [approx 50yds to the pin]. Chipped it to within 9inches of the hole. The others all close. During the practice there was a loud 'Keraaaaaack!' as a particularly strong gust of wind, snapped a thick branch high in one of the large pine trees down the right hand side of the hole! I looked up in time to see it drop. It hung up about 35 or 40+ feet above the ground pointing straight down. Decided to call it a day. Called into the clubhouse to report it. Would hate to hear that some poor individual had been injured or worse by the falling branch while looking for their balls.
More rain on the way. The sky ahead of me, is black as thunder. Will watch the Jo'burg Open in SA in just under 3hours time. A late night in prospect. My confidence in my short game is hopefully infectious and will spread to the rest of my clubs. To all the Surge Nation as Robert Meade above says, my accuracy and consistency [as Surge mentioned today, MY holy grail],have given me "a great feeling" PMGAS

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Submitted by Keppst (not verified) on

I have a ruptured disc in my lower back, I started with the Suge about 4 yrs ago. I use  to do the rotational swing and my back would always give out on me and I would  always have to cut my game short. Since I started with the Surge I can now play 27 holes with little or no problem. I have listened to the reports that Surge gave about his swing and I truely believe they are fact because I am living proof of it. Keep it straight andvertical.

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Hey Bob,
I have no idea exactly what kind of mat Surge has.
There are so many different types from different companies.
Probably something like the one at this link but the base appears thicker. He may have plywood or something under it also.
http://www.golfsmith.com/produ...

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Dick, This is his last post under his activities page from 8 months ago.

on Club Position at Address - The Surge's Daily Blog 8 months ago DJ's
Mom must look great because he is a very handsome man. We know those
good looks could not have come from Don. I wanted to follow him but I
was with 3 other guys and they wanted to go the opposite direction to
the "green mile" the last 3 holes.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

CJ,
Look a little closer pal. If you look at the headings above, scroll over 'golf instruction' then click on 'certified instructors' and then 'southeast region' you'll fing an instructor in Florida. Too, Surge will have several schools (again) in Florida this year.See the same category under 'golf schools'.
I have accepted  this challenge long ago aqnd get updates with a click of a mouse. Have had the privelage of personal instruction from the master twice now. Go for it CJ. He's in your backyard in S. Carolina. I flew 2500 miles to see him the first time. Worth every dime.
PMG

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Submitted by Craig63 (not verified) on

Hi Rob, for me I would interpret the towel under the feet drill as a reinforcement of Surge's "wide knees with outward pressure" concept.   This is one of many areas I need to work on as my right knee gets far too "nomadic" :-)  as in it moves around too much. 

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Submitted by Dstansbery (not verified) on

I second Boogs recommendation on the DWQuail mats, at least the commercial ones. They don't leave the green residue on the club like some cheaper ones. I''ve had one for a year and a half and it still looks like brand new. I do keep it covered in the off season. Get the 5X5 if you can afford it. Otherwise you don't have quite enough room to  hit a driver.

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Submitted by Rob W. from Sth... (not verified) on

Like Keith, I read tips from Rev. Golf & Surge's site. Both are good sites that will guide you to a good golf swing.  I prefer the vertical swing as I get more consistency, but recently picked up a great tip from Revolution golf that I think is applicable to both swing types.  I felt as though I was lacking contribution of power from my legs to my golf swing.  Their tip of imagining that you have a towel under your feet & you are trying to stretch it out (laterally) has been invaluable to getting better traction with the ground & a feeling that my lower body is adding some power to the golf swing.

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I had a net years ago and used it pretty much every day . It was one that popped up like a tent think I paid around 150 it lasted about 3 years and then I started burning holes through it and bounced a ball off the top of a neighbors roof down through the woods and figured it was time to get rid of it.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

Keith,

I've used that drill myself. I do recommend that you change the coin to a flat ball marker though. Mush less ball/roll interference with a marker than with a coin. It is a good drill though with either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Another good tempo practice. If you have a putter that allows you to lay a coin into the back cut out portion of the head. Make good tempo-ed strokes, while actually putting, and keep the coin from sliding out. If you get too quick or jerky, you will quickly loose the coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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Submitted by Doc Griffin (not verified) on

I have serious answer.  Of course not.  There are many ways to swing a golf club.  And your point is..................

Dragonhead's picture

Submitted by Dragonhead (not verified) on

Vertical swinging is the ONLY way to go. I have spoken. Surge, you have been as honest and open in today's video as you always are. No BS, just the sweet smell of success IMHO!
Today in very, very windy conditions, decided to just take a couple of clubs to the practice hole. The PW and the 9iron. Only took a handful of balls. Started from 80 yards out with the PW. First easy swing, over the back of the green, approx 100-110 yds. So down the grip to the metal shaft. Next ball less than 2'feet left and a few inches passed the pin.Next 2'feet to the right of the pin a few inches passed the pin. The next two aimed at the centre of the green, dead level pin high. So a pretty consistent striking of the ball. The four balls on the green I clipped them off the green in all four directions. Uphill, downhill, and two side hill with the first one in rough above  a mound. Chipped all five to easy one putt distance. Then walked back to the 100mtr [bejaysus I hate mtrs on a golf course] 110yds marker and with the 9iron, repeated the process. First shot hit it fat and it finished 30yds short of the green. Down the shaft again and proceeded to mortar the pin. Those four balls all on the green in one putt distance. Repeated the chipping from off the green, including the one 30yds short [approx 50yds to the pin]. Chipped it to within 9inches of the hole. The others all close. During the practice there was a loud 'Keraaaaaack!' as a particularly strong gust of wind, snapped a thick branch high in one of the large pine trees down the right hand side of the hole! I looked up in time to see it drop. It hung up about 35 or 40+ feet above the ground pointing straight down. Decided to call it a day. Called into the clubhouse to report it. Would hate to hear that some poor individual had been injured or worse by the falling branch while looking for their balls.
More rain on the way. The sky ahead of me, is black as thunder. Will watch the Jo'burg Open in SA in just under 3hours time. A late night in prospect. My confidence in my short game is hopefully infectious and will spread to the rest of my clubs. To all the Surge Nation as Robert Meade above says, my accuracy and consistency [as Surge mentioned today, MY holy grail],have given me "a great feeling" PMGAS

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Robert

I have never tried playing golf with a little of the captain in me.  Before my wreck I was a pretty good bowler too.  I have bowled with the captain.  It took a few, ok more than a few points off my game.  But, I didn't seem to care that much at the time.

Dick

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Can we put videos up if we are not any good at this swing ?
I am just picking at you . Went to the range today and did not take my camera thinking it was going to miserably cold only got up to 29 but when I got there no wind and felt pretty nice for 29 anyway its nice to be able to move in the golf swing freely without feeling tight.
Hit some really good shots and some crappy shots going to be warmer tomorrow and take my camera tomorrow and getting video so I will have some posted to U- Tube by the end of the week.  

Steve Smith's picture

Submitted by Steve Smith on

Most of ya'll must stand further away from the ball than I do.

It is only 3 feet 4 inches from the ball to the back of my heels with a driver.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Believe me Keith, he reads all the posts. He considers all and then gets  specific inspiration to address particular ones that will speak to a variety of topics from week to week.

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Submitted by Craig63 (not verified) on

Hi Robert, thanks for posting that video featuring JB Holmes and how he tries to maintain a firm flat wrist throughout his swing.  He said that if he cocks his wrist at all he believes its a break down in his swing and he loses distance.  Its exactly in accordance with what Surge teaches and what he and DJ display in their swing videos.

I'm trying but I'm a mere mortal and its a WIP for me :-)

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Surge has said that the swing should be 90% arms and 10% body.
The lesson at this link is a good example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

That lesson was another example of why the two instructions don't mix well unless, as Craig said, we really do know enough to recognize the BS.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

Surge,
Today on the range I had some of the most consistent results that I've ever had so far using the one and only Surge Swing. A few things clicked most of which are all based on the basics of this swing. I focused on keeping my lower body quiet and using the rock on a string thought I really was finally getting more vertical, keeping my swing and turn limited to 70* and 3/4's. One of the keys for my results today was also "locking" my wrist and having no wrist hinge or "cocking". As a result my hands were higher as you spoke just now about the swings of 30-40 years ago. They were higher because they were not breaking down)cocking and going back to parallel. "No wrist action is good wrist action".This allowed that straight back and up to straight back up in the follow through. What goes up does come back the same way. Most of my shots were going at the target. A great feeling.
PMG

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Steve
He used to bounce back and fourth through the other site and this one went to see if he has been posting there a while back but he has not and I don't think he has been around since the tornado's you had down that way.

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Submitted by Robert Meade (not verified) on

If there was they would be listed. Just make time to go see that one instructor. We have zero in Nevada and I traveled across Country to see Doc and Surge. You have one in your State. If you really want to see an instructor you'll go somehow.

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Submitted by Doc Griffin (not verified) on

Ok, again, there are two types of swings #1. Vertical/upright   #2. Flat/rotational.    Everything is a version of one of these swings.   It's one plane or two.  We are talking about the relationship of the club shaft to the shoulders.  There is no 3 plane swing.  So, as stated, there are only two basic types of swings and what people teach are an adaption of one or the other. 

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Submitted by Edward Murphy (not verified) on

I have stayed with the Revolution Gold site since the "changeover" from PPGS some time ago.
However, there is one sequence from Jim McLean's "21 Death Moves" which bothers me as it challenges the surge swing on follow through in Death Move 21.
In it, he states that no-one goes on a straight target line and 'up a wall', instead it curves as he states, which is consistent within his rotational swing training method.
However, I follow your method of swinging and reject this sacrilege in denigrating what I consider to be the only true swing to have.
Ted Murphy.

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Submitted by T Medley (not verified) on

NO, not just one way to swing a club, however, BIG HOWEVER, There is a better way than the rotational method which will result in better control and far less stress and injuries to the average person. Most of us are just plain average people, looking for a more body friendly swing, and we just happen to get a bonus of better control with this one.

Thanks for allowing us to drink what ever Koolaide we want though. That's mighty nice of you. I like the Coors Light flavor.

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Dick, you always bring a smile to my face. You bring the mischieviousness out of the rest of us 'ol golfers.
keep drinkin that same berry and captain pal.
Oh and hit 'em down the middle!

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

Your comment is confusing to me. If you teach golf and if you understand controlling side spin enough to work the ball both ways you should be able to find middle ground between the two and hit straight or relatively straight shots or slight draws and slight fades.
In between the swing you make to hook the ball and the swing you make to slice the ball are a whole range of possibilities including dead straight.

Separate issue:
There are plenty of people that visit the site and claim everything from being golf instructors to scratch golfers to people that always hit the ball straight and in the fairway.

I would like to see those people put videos of their swings on U-Tube (preferably from a down the line view) so maybe the rest of us could get more examples of proper execution of the swing.

If any of you are truly any good at this swing it would be a good example.

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Craig, you're quite welcome. It has really made a difference for me recently not only keeping the wrists flat but also getting my  grip a tad more nuetral. I was slipping further into a strong grip and tighter grip without realising it. Now my swing is shorter with less rotation (staying out of the sbg as I mentioned in another note to you). Ironically my strikes on the ball have become more solid and the ball is flying further too. This game is full of so many opposites. it's a good thing Surge is on the opposite side of the road from most other modern concepts or I would have never discovered these realities:)
Less is so much better. It always shocks me that although I have been thinking have been following Don's directives for close to three years I keep being reminded of my tendencies to slip back into bad habits. Lately having some revelations of the correct set up and vertical swing positions and feelings have reinforced that I am finally on track.
PMG

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DWQuail is also where I bought mine several years ago, and it's still like new.

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Submitted by Dick Lee (not verified) on

Surge Nation

Hope everyone had a great day.  sounds like some of you got in a round today.  I was able to play 18 before I worked at the course today.  After church in the morning I plan on chipping for a couple of hours before I work in the club house till close.

I think you all know how committed I am to the PPGS, and how I credit Surge with giving me back the game of golf after an unwelcome 18.5 year break from the game after my big wreck.  That being said, I have a confession to make to you all.  I have to bare my soul and admit that I learned something about my game from another source.  All the talk today about watching, reading, and listening to golf instruction from other sources made me have to admit my sins to you.  I am not ashamed to confess to you.  Knowledge can come from the most unexpected places. 

So, here goes.  Over the last few weeks, I have spent a few evenings at the home of my friend Donna.  Donna's daughter has a wii system.  They have several golf games.  We have been playing the different courses.  I finally figured out how to read the greens on the games.  I know it sounds stupid and childish, but it works.  You really have to look hard at the greens to pick out the left and right breaks, as well as the up and down hill rolls.  It has changed the way I look at real greens and has helped my putting so much it ain't child's play.

The other cool things is that when I use the PPGS on the wii, I can keep the swing line straight up the board (wish it worked that well on the real course).

I feel better now, thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

Keeping it vertical, virtually and in reality, in Oklahoma,
Dick

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Submitted by NeilofOz (not verified) on

Spot on Surge, IMHO the rotational and vertical swings are sofar apart, that it's not worth comparing. I recently played on the east coast ( Aust. ) during the holidays
and played in a comp there. I was demonstrating to a player on the vertical swing
when he started to mimic the action and I told him immediately to stop as it would
affect his game. True to my word he played a bad first 9, but the second was much
better as he got back to his old swing. This is a guy that could spank a ball off the
tee at least 250-275M, we both ended up with a similar score, we had the same
H/C of 18, this course was his home ground and it was my first game there.

Iv'e got extra power now, thanks to being vertical. The next move is on consistency, so long live being vertical, isn't that where the ultimate power lies anyway, lol.

  
 

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You can also kill two birds with one stone by doing the pencil drill from Surge's Putting Secrets video. It gives you something to focus on to keep your head from jumping up, and also forces you to hit the ball above the equator with an upward stroke, meaning you get a better roll.

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Submitted by Russty Kiwi (not verified) on

You are much more patient than I am. When I recieved my first email from revolution ,I watched about half of it and hit the unsubscribe button and never looked back. Surge has everything I need to know and suits my natural swing.   We have 130 men 18 hole members at my club. At the start of 2011 I was at 83 and now at 42 and climing. Some people tell me I cant possibly play golf with the buggerd back I have ,but I tell them I have a special way of playing. I dont think they all beleive me. I,m loving the great game and cant wait to get out there. In the morning should be good,nice and early, when all is quiet.    Happy golfing

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Submitted by Steve Smith on

"Serious question" my #$$.

There are plenty of different ways to swing a club, some better than others, but Surge's is the only one I've seen being taught that utilizes the arms as the main power source instead of the full turn torque on the body.
Many people choose to use this swing because of previous injuries that made it impossible to play with a full turn rotationally powered swing.
Others choose to use it because they don't want to join that list of players with golf injuries.
Still others choose it because they think it gives them the most simple chance for success after whacking the ball all over the place with a rotational swing.

If I remember correctly Don said he hit some shanks a while back. So what? Means absolutely nothing other than that he is human. I hit enough of them to last a lifetime before trying this swing and haven't hit one since.

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