Harold Gets The Shaft

Thanks Surge, I top the ball allot, but, im always thinking it is me swinging to fast and coming up to fast with my body!!   Of course I don't know how fast I swing and how would you find that out?   I will see what I do tomorrow, of couse it is a little harder when it is cold.

Thanks for the video and tips.

marilyn

I think everyone's hand has about that much difference in finger length. If you curl the fingers in the hand as if  taking a grip the finger tips line up very nicely the same distance from the heel of the hand. The Golden Bear found the interlock better because he had relatively short, stubby, fingers.

comment edit, I hope I killed the format abomination, if not I'm hoping Tom will soon,lol.
Once last time, I promise, Marilyn check out this link about near the bottom of the page is a nice chart. http://www.golfgearselect.com/...

T, you should have at least 1/2" of the butt of the grip sticking out past the heel pad of your top hand. The grip has a bulge at the end which should not be inside your hand.

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When I curl my fingers as you describe, my finger tips are in line; however, if you look at the second knuckles while doing that, you will notice that they form an arc. On the grip, the second knuckles are all in line and touching the grip. That means that the finger tips are no longer even.

Marilyn,

Here are a couple links that should help you make a determination.

Measurement in inches
Wrist to Floor---Driver and 5-iron lengths

WTF---------------DRIVER--------5-IRON
27----29--------------42--------------36.5
29----32--------------42.5------------37
32----34--------------43--------------37.5
34----36--------------43.5------------38
36----37--------------44--------------38.25
37----38--------------44.25-----------38.5
38----39--------------44.5------------38.75
39----40--------------44.75-----------39
40----41--------------45---------------39.25
41----42--------------45.5-------------39.5
Over 42--------------46+-------------39.75+

How to properly measure your wrist to Floor
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/TW...
MEASURING CLUB LENGTH PROCEDURE
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/TW...

Good luck and PMG

Wife and I got to play 18 yesterday. I have mixed reviews for my new  Christmas gifted driver the Taylormade Burner. I did cut two inches off (making it just under 44 inches) and changed the grip from the original to the jumbo tourwrap I prefer. My opinion after using it is that like most drivers, when hit square and on the sweet spot with good timing and tempo it feels and flies great. Problem was I am  too inconsistent with it. I surmise that it's regular flex is too soft for me. Can't seem to get it square unless I really back off below 75% power. I may have an X shaft of my choosing replace the current stock R that it came with. Meanwhile I have a game with my long knocking brother Craig and his son Kyle (my son can't join today, darn it!) and we tee off just after noon. So, I have pretty much decided to go with my usual driver that I can draw with more regularity and have gotten more distance from in recent weeks. The weather is primo here right now. Be 64* today,clear and sunny.
On our local muni's fairways get hard and fast this time of year along with bumpy greens that give surprise speeds (some slow, others like hardpan). So as usual it will come down to chipping and putting. That's what I'll practice most during our hour of warm up at 11am.
Have a good day,
PMG

BTW my wife and I have decided to get the 'optishot' as a post Christmas gift to each other. Anyone out there have one yet? Curious to find out how accurate the feedback is when used and how closely it replicates results.  

Marilyn, Good luck with your round tomorrow,Ma'am. One finds out his/her
swing speed via a launch monitor such as flightscope, trackman or
zelocity to name the top models. Doc uses flightscope during his
swing/fitting analysis. Most of the big name chain stores have one of
some type in the fitting area of the store.
 Stay in the present.

Kevin

Not sure what it says in the manual but I was just watching the grip
video from the paid videos and Don's left hand grip only has the the
ring finger and the long finger before it touching the palm.

Thanks so much!!

Terry, Before I started the PPGS swing, on one of my whims, I started taking my grip two finger widths down the shaft from the butt end of the grip. My clubs were already 1/2" shorter after being measured by a Ping Pro in UK. My ball striking improved immediately. Good solid strikes, but a tad inconsistent. Now I remember that my stance used to be a lot more upright than it is now,ie, I was not bent over at the hips correctly. The two finger widths down the grip has been retained. Will recopy your WTF measurements again to somewhere I can find more easily. Thanks for the club measuring links as well.
Sympathy at not getting out to play. Here it has started raining hard again and is expected to last until New Year. So indoor honing in the bump will be the order of the day.
Have a Happy Hogmonay when it arrives.

Thanks, I will look for one!!

Thanks for the good luck, I can't wait!!  Need to get out and get some sun!!   Cool or not!!

Going to play New Years Day also, that should be fun!!  Frozen Open..

Thanks for your help,
m

Roger, I noticed that also. The manual says all three. I don't see how it could be done unless I had reverse tapered grips with the thin end at the butt of the shaft. Putting my left hand on the thin part of the grip, all three fingers touch the pad of my hand.

Thank you also!!!

Robert, Why bother with the driver? hahaha. Yesterday played 15holes and the longest club in the bag was my knock-off Beijing PingG2 5W. Had the best round since getting back on the course after the five year lay off! That club and the 24deg Rescue club were long and straight most of the round. The only difference yesterday was, I hit a different ball. The best ball I have hit in a dog's age, a Bridgestone e6, Boy I love it and will get more.Great off the tee, fairway, from rough both chipping and pitching. For example. On one hole where with a good drive with anyone of my drivers, my next shot was a 5iron usually, down to an 8iron occasionally. Well now it is my 5W and half a SW to the centre of the green~!
Finally had a couple of extra shots with the 17deg Driving iron. Not too ugly. On the last hole it went well leaving me an easy 8iron to the green. Had more Pars yesterday than for a long, long time. So clubs and e6 appear to be a good combination.
On a couple of holes checked ALIGNMENT and found it off by a smidgeon,ie, dropped club shaft across my tooties at address. On a hole where I was just two feet from the green with my 8iron and thru' the back with a 7iron [long green front to back and side to side]. So took the 8 to compare the performance of the ball I was playing for the first time ever. A Bridgestone e6. Stunned would be the only word, aimed for the middle of the green and it flew straight as an arrow. It landed and rolled a very short distance on the slope. Missed the Birdie putt, but rapt that it was so effortless. Slowing down makes more distance and increases accuracy.
Trying to eliminate the annoying habit of a semi-rotational finish on the swing. So for me it has now got to be: "In the mitt and up to the sky on the follow thru' " Working a treat so far.
Good luck on your round with the lads. It is raining hard here at the moment and is needed. On a couple of tees nearly hurt my wrist trying to put in the tee!!! Must remember to add a hammer and nail to the bag hahaha. PMG and Succeed

Your on fire Steve. I always learn more from all three of those Matt clips every time I see them. Awesome and a great reminder again. I learn something more every time I see them. Quiet  body and faster arms, love it! Thanks for throwing even more light on it.

The only way to get my last three fingers to touch my palm is to grip it all the way down on the shaft I would guess that if you had a thin hand with long fingers it would be possible but it is a interesting question and would be interesting to here comments on the subject from others even Don. 

Thanks mine from wrist to floor is 27"  thanks so much,

Last year had my driver cut down, need to check driver out again,,,

Thank you,

marilyn

Kevin,

I'm not sure that 1/2" is necessary, but We Should at least have the end cap extending past our heel pad. Here's some good pictures of Surge's grip. Looks to be less than 1/2", but as we all know pictures are deceiving due to camera angles. The main thing is to have full hand contact with some sticking out. I just prefer a little more than the average bear.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

PMG

The Surge's shots when describing ball position using hybrids really showed how set he was on the back leg during address.  I'm sure he's discussed this address position before but does anyone recall a weight percentage (front foot/back foot) that he describes in the setup?  To me it looks like 70/30 back leg but it could be more. I've always been a 50/50 setup guy and I'm sure this has contributed to my backswing head bob.  My winter swing thoughts have me in a consistent spine angle through the swing and believe if I set up strong right side that would minimize the straightening of the spine during the backswing.  Any thoughts on my hopeful ideas?

I'm more and more convinced that grips for our golf clubs is a variable that is less predictable as far as the size and material.  I certainly wouldn't agree that we need to follow some formula of hand proportions. I have the liberty of being able to change out and try various grips,all with my air compressor and home tools.I am limited only by funds. I have used the very oversized Jumbo Max and several in between. Likewise with the putter grip, I have tried out many and will yet fool with others thick and thin. I have currently gone back to a conventionally rather normal size putter grip and the jumbo tour wrap from golf pride. I like a thicker grip for my clubs both for feel and because of my hands that have some arthritic tendancies. As for the putter, it is such a "feel" thing that it is even more just up to what works for you. Thin is in for the moment in my bag.
Terry and several others have recomended the Chamois by Avon so those are on my radar for need to try list.I will get thier jumbo version. BTW all jumbos seem thin after the 'Max'.
Hey, I'm having fun seeing what matters or not in golf. And grip type and size and feel are a completely subjective and optional aspect of the game in my humble opinion.

edit; After reviewing the thread of your disscusion with Kieth I realise that you were not specifically talking about "grips" bbut type grip and finger placement on the club. "grips" do come into play in any case. I used the interlocking years ago but have been an overlapper for the last 25 or so. Certainly grip type and size would effect getting our last three fingers to touch the pad. Still it doesn't particularly matter and comes down to preferance.

my driver is 43"  and my five iron is 38"  and five wood 41" 

little long, im thinking??

Thanks,,,

I was just reviewing the grip portion of the Foundations Manual where it says that the tips of the last 3 fingers of the forward hand should just brush the pad of that hand when the grip is the correct size. I discovered that that is impossible for me to achieve since my pinkies on both hands are a full inch shorter than the ring fingers. I think that may explain part of my difficulty with the interlocking grip - my right pinkie cannot interlock with my left hand correctly.

no, wrong, mine wrist to floor is 32, kind of hard to do by your self, so, got help and got it right,,,

Surge I always thought DG S-300 was a stiff shaft.  In your video you said it is a reg shaft.  Just wondering.

Thank you!!

Well, played 11 holes today, fun, hit the ball pretty fair, few toppers, hate when I do that, it was only 37 out, but, no wind and sun, felt good.  I didn't keep score, but as I sit here I remember every ball I hit!   Still need to finish up the tree higher, get some new balls and just keep at it!!   Going to play Friday, Sat and Sunday!! 
Surge, just thinking off the wall, IM 5' 3" small frame, about how long should my driver be??  Please!!  

Thanks so much,,

marillyn

I use either midsize tour wraps or Multi compound midsize. Probably will stick with the midsize tour wraps for awhile a lot cheaper than the multi compounds I change my grips 1 time a year for sure sometimes twice depends on how much practice and play. 

removed do to wrong measurements

Thanks, Terry, I knew you would have one handy. Don't know why mine decided to go glitchy in the formatting process.
 And to save space ( I hope) I'll comment on how much of the grip extends past my hands. Until I visited Doc I was pretty close to the end of the grip but he had me go down the grip about a thumbs width.I would assume though, that's one of the parameters open to our individual preferences.

Marilyn

Just type in WTF in the search box and it should help.  

I have used both grip styles currently have it in the fingers in both hands to me its more of a power grip.
Nicklaus taught left hand start at the bottom of the fore finger to the bottom of the heal pad. Which he claimed if you were going to back hand someone it would hurt more with back of the hand than in the fingers and his right hand grip was in the fingers for the throwing action. Haney had Tiger gripping like this to straighten out his driver and pulls and hooks. Most others teach in the fingers in both hands. I think you just have to find what works and stick with it. 

T
That chart is interesting. The chart which is a starting point and I under stand that has got me thinking again oh boy.My fitted irons I have the 5 iron in particular is 38.10 in length my wrist to floor would put me at 37.5 for 5 iron which is a difference of .6 inches. I think I am going to choke down on my irons for the heck of it at the range this weekend to see if their is any difference.
Was hoping to get out and play this weekend but would need a canoe. Record rain fall here this year.
   

Dear Surge, Compliments of the season to all, I read with interest the topic about shafts and clubhead speed, where does cluhead speed come from? do I swing harder, do I rotate my shoulders quicker through the down swing, does it come from hands through the ball at impact?
I guess I hit the ball further because I hit the ball harder? yet the smooth swing of a female pro hits it further.
The Pro guys were hitting 8 irons 180yards in a recent tour game, watched with interest each guy from that tee (on TV) not many of them "belted" it, so it must be clubhead speed!

What are the "mechanics" of clubhead speed.

I just love what you have done to my game....thank you.

Regards

Raymond Sydney Australia, we play all year here Ha!

Hmmm, you may be onto something. I can't interlock either, and use an overlap. And, guess what, my pinkie and ring finger is 1" different also, just figured everyone's is. Not to worry though, I think the overlap is supposed to work just fine as well..

Marilyn,

It sounds like you are in the ballpark with your measurements. You might want to try a few shots by choking up a bit now and then, just to see if it helps or hurts your contacts.

PMG

Reply to Kevin,
I lost half my left "pinkie" to a Rotweiller" some years ago, that finger was the integral part of my left hand grip, the loss screwed up my grip for almost one year until I adjusted, I found it really made me have a very strong left hand grip to compensate, it also increased my fade to a slice, until I balanced my pressure using the overlap, I think what helped was slight more pressure with my left thumb on the shaft.

Regards
Raymond

Good point, Steve.  That one didn't occur to me. ;0) 

I haven't been out since the last week of Nov, and it looks like Mar 2012 will be my next chance. I bought all fitted clubs at the beginning of last year, and still tend to choke down on them an inch or so. They just feel and play better when I feel some of the grip extending beyond my left heel pad.

PMG