Today I'd like to stay on the subject of Forward Shaft Lean because so many Surgites had questions and comments regarding the daily I recently posted on this topic. You all know my #1 Surgism: "The setup determines the motion." Well, having the correct amount of forward shaft lean at address is an important element of a good setup position. I love it when Surgites respond to a topic I start with their own interpretation of the concept. Here's what Eduardo Salgado had to say about FSL and my Master Setup Position.
"There are a lot of "concepts" out there that do not necessarily represent the truth according to the Surge Swing though they may apply to some other swings. One of them is breaking the wrists. The same for forward shaft lean. Surge has a Master Setup Position that, if you follow it, will create a forward leaning shaft position because you set up with a little forward leaning shaft when you take the grip he suggests.
I have found, in my year+ of trying this swing that, if you set up right and concentrate on doing the swing the way Surge teaches it, all these magic things happen "automagically". Set up correctly, and do the 3/4 limited turn swing to a T and you won't have to worry about where the hands are or the shaft or the wrists."
Eduardo, I couldn't have said it better.
Later in the same thread, when a fellow Surgite asked if "with the Surge setup are the hands ahead of the ball in somewhat of a forward shaft lean position to simulate impact?", ShortGameWizard jumped into the conversation by writing:
" Forward shaft lean, or trapping, is essential to compressing the ball properly. What is not discussed is a driver or long club can be trapped without the club leaning forward. This is due to the [fact that the ] trap angle is relative to the center of the body mass. The farther back the more the angle of the trap and vice versa for the driver.
As to the flip question, the Surge Swing creates the trap when the arms straighten out at impact. If you are flipping at impact the back arm is trying to accelerate at the ball instead of swinging to the forward mitt and up the tree. Impact happens too quick to try and direct a hit at the ball. So focus more on the feel of the swing through the ball and less at the ball."
Wow, another great explanation that's right on the money. SGW's statement embodies our philosophy of swinging up through the ball. Unlike a rotational swing, the Surge Swing actually accelerates through impact so once you get the feel of a good vertical swing everything will fall into place "automagically" as Eduardo so wryly notes above. BTW, Eduardo is playing in his club's Senior Championship in two weeks. Good luck to you, sir, from me and the entire Surge Nation. We'll be looking forward to your after-action report!
Keep it vertical!
The Surge
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for sure you are the best
for sure you are the best
It's a small lateral move.
It's a small lateral move. Here are a few lessons on the topic.
6 May 2011 Bump Pt 1 Dave Seeman
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Da...
14 May 2011 Bump Pt 2 Dave Seeman
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Da...
Bump and Solid Hits 6/19/11
http://swingsurgeon.com/DailyV...
please take the camera of
please take the camera of your videos out in the sun. it is too difficult to follow with you standing in the shadows.
That time is coming soon.
That time is coming soon. Patience my friend.ÃÂ :-)ÃÂ R2
Paid attention to this
Paid attention to this yesterday and the set up. Only had time for just under an hour on the practice hole at the course [Rain and sodden ground,ie, wet feet after a while]. Took only a Mizuno PW and three balls. Took my time with a nice easy swing and cadence, and it all happened. No trying to skin the ball, just the correct setup and a fluid swing at 80% or thereabouts.
Found two more balls and hit all five to the green. First one within a foot of the pin, from 90+ yards.The other four all on the green : - )
Hit some more to the left of the green and pitched from the wet rough to good effect.
Lesson learned? Noted the left or forward knee was straightening on some practice swings. I played only around 30+balls and left a happy chappie.
At home when the rain stopped I took out 2x PW's, 5iron and r7 driver [after remeasuring my wrist to floor measurement again. Result? 1/2" shorter than previously measured.Used the 'Angelfire' method. What a difference half an inch makes, as the actress said to the bishop. Must behave.
The difference was immediately noticed, skimming the water off the artificial grass effortlessly. Had previously been 'thumping' the ground around impact.This I think caused me to flinch and grip the club harder. Well the nice swings up to the 'T' finish were proof positive to me, that I have [if it continues] turned the corner.
Each shot I hit yesterday was given the complete routine set up, prior to swinging the club.
In this case, more balls was not better. In future I will take a small number of balls and repeat the process. Less in this case has been better for me.
GBSAPS and to the Surgite who posted the link on angelfire, bless you kind sir.
A more content Dragonhead in Rugby barmy New Zealand heh heh heh
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS FOR
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS FOR ALL OF THE DAILY TIPS. THIS ONE FINALLY DID IT FOR ME. MY IRONS AND HYBRIDS HAD BEEN OK BUT MY 3 WOOD AND DRIVER IÃÂ JUST STRUGGLED ALL OF THE TIME. THE TIP OF POINTING MY RIGHT ELBOW STRAIGHT UP FIXED MY DRIVES AND EVEN STRENGTHENED MY IRONS AND HYBRIDS. THANKS AGAIN, DAN D.
Played my Saturday round
Played my Saturday round today and didn't score as well as I would have liked. One of those days we sometimes have where we hit good putts but seem to have a case of the misreads.
Hit the ball very well though. I hit a few balls at home before I went to the course and got the feeling that I wasn't taking "skipping a rock" to it's fullest extent.
I decided that I was going to focus on that alone on each shot. I even made a throwing motion with my right arm as I would wait for others to hit their shots.
I don't think it's a coincidence that I felt better hitting the driver today than I had in a long time.
(Heck of a deal, hit the driver great and misread the putts,ÃÂ that's why they call it golf). Ha ha!
Another note:
I have an E-Mail account that I rarely use and haven't gotten around to checking it for a week or so.
I checked it tonight and to my surprise I had an E-Mail from none other than Dick Lee.
It was great to hear from him. He said he hadn't been playing any golf but wanted me to tell all of you guys on the blog that he said hello.
He said he might rejoin us on the blog in the next week. I E-Mailed him back that I was missing his jokes on the blog on the nights that were a little dead.;-)
Played today and did NOT
Played today and did NOT start off good, like I had never pickup a club before, did get better as the day went on.ÃÂ ÃÂ Still having trouble keeping my arns straight down at impact, then up the tree,ÃÂ I sometimes come up to soon?ÃÂ Put two balls in the water today, topped both of them.ÃÂ darn.
See what happens tomorrow, thanks for all of your help!
Marilyn
Thanks Eduardo and SGW, Once
Thanks Eduardo and SGW, Once again it comes back to the set up. I indeed have to remind myself not overdue the FSL. It is so true that if I get my alignment right and into the master set up then just swing up good results are more likely. The video and my wife are my best checks on both. it is helpful to have another pair of eyes to see what we're doing or not doing. Getting excited with the LV tourny only 2 weeks away. Surge is currently up in Deleware conducting a school with Dave Seeman. Hope we get a video update soon.
On a serious note, today is 9/10/11.ÃÂ Hope all are safe this 10 year anniversary of the tragedy of 9/11 observed tomorrow.
Was a surreal event that most of us can recall all too clearly. Be safe all.ÃÂ
This really not a reply to
This really not a reply to Dmwhseat4ÃÂ ÃÂ but to Surge--ÃÂ put somelight on your back poarchÃÂ it is to dark to really see the actionÃÂ more light please
The news just keeps getting
The news just keeps getting better Steve. Need characters like Dick Lee, to brighten up the blogs, complete with jokes and menus ; - )
Just had another shortened swing on the back deck with PW x 2 and 8 irons x 2. Alright once I calmed the 100% savage beast within and swung the clubs with a nice steady 80% tempo. Then the rain curtailed the exercise.
Steve,Sorry to hear about your putting woes, golf indeed. Can't wait to get out again around the greens with my old 'chipper'.It used to be deadly and will be again, I am sure.
Dick Lee and all the other staunch Surgites, make this site, the best in Golf IMHO. Tomorrow is Chinese Mid Autumn Festival. Have a good one folks......I will be eating??? hahahaha.
Baxter,
Baxter,
It probably won't change on the back porch, BUT, fortunately you can adjust you own monitors brightness, contrast, and sharpness of the screen. If you don't know how, just ask any of your children or grandchildren you may have. Good luck.
PS, Surge has mentioned that he will be moving to a backyard net sometime in the future. That may help as well.
PMG
I figured out a while ago
I figured out a while ago that the only thing I could do on putts is to make the best read I can make, and make the best roll I can make,ÃÂ and "not care" whether I make them or not. (Thanks Brad Faxon).
That's all I can do. The only option for making better reads is to get smarter and I don't think that's going to happen.
Of the misses, I did miss every putt except one on the high side on the new Bermuda greens. I may be able to make a little adjustment next time.
It's a tightrope walk though. There is nothing I hate worse than missing them on the low side. With those I don't even get to root for them to go in. At least on the high side they have a fighting chance.;-)
Dan, I agree.ÃÂ This was
Dan, I agree.ÃÂ This was one of Surge's best clips.ÃÂ If you will follow this setup position, you will straighten out a lot of things in your swing.ÃÂ It becomes a "no brainer."ÃÂ Ever wonder how the pros hit a 7-iron 180-190 yards?ÃÂ It's becasue of the forward lean of theÃÂ shaft.ÃÂ The forward lean de-lofts the club making it about a 5-iron, which is a little more reasonable toÃÂ attain that kind of distance.ÃÂ
The important thing is to come up the tree (follow thru) thereby making a swing and not a chop.ÃÂ Chopping will kill your shot so you must follow thru.ÃÂ
Yes, I miss Dick too. thanks
Yes, I miss Dick too. thanks for sharing the update Steve.
Good suggestion. ÃÂ I have
Good suggestion. ÃÂ I have made this same suggestion in the past. ÃÂ The porch is a huge distraction from the videos because the background interferes with Don's illustration of his daily lesson. ÃÂ The porch is not only too dark but is visually distracting due to the trees, railings, etc. ÃÂ I suggested before that a white background screen could be used directly behind Surge to assist. ÃÂ Also, Surge uses a lot of partial sentences in his chats with us, so a clear visual of his motion would keep us focused on the video through to its end. ÃÂ Right now, I usually bail after 50% of the video due to the visual distraction. ÃÂ Constructive criticism, no complaints! -MPC in Michigan
Is the "Bump" a lateral
Is the "Bump" a lateral movement or a hip turn. In other words, do the hips move an inch or two left (for a right hander) on the same plane (parallel to the target line) or do they turn an inch or two towards the target?
Surg,I've had a problem of
Surg,
I've had a problem of slicing especially with my woods. I had my driver cut down to 43 1/2" which didn't solve my problem. I know you've addressed this several times. I'm 5'5 1/2" tall. I probably need to cut them down a little more. My question is what is the length of your 7 iron. I slice it but not as bad. Please advise.
Thanks,
Paul
Albuquerque
They move about an inch
They move about an inch toward the target (since at that point the hips have turned slightly so that a lateral movement for them is actually toward the target, not parallel to the target line). The turning comes after, naturally allowing the arms to freely return the club to the ball.