I asked Doc Griffin, my Director of Club Fitting Operations, to answer this question from Wilson Doyle, a Surgite from Brentwood, TN who wanted to know what the proper lie angle is for an iron when it is soled on the ground and how much can a given iron's lie angle be changed.
As you will hear Doc explain, there is a lot of confusion about the term "lie angle". The lie angle we can see with our eyes is the "static lie angle". However, that's a useless measurement because the only lie angle that matters is the one at the moment of impact. I like to think of this as the "dynamic lie angle" because it is what happens when the club is being swung. The flex characteristics of the shaft, the weight of the head, as well as the composition of the head (forged vs. cast) all contribute to creating the actual lie angle at impact. Obviously, this can't be determined by just watching someone swing--you need a launch monitor to do this. So if you are buying a set of clubs at retail and they hand you a club that lays flat along the ground and tell you that this is a good lie angle for you, then simply hand them the club back and walk out of the store. If they don't know that static lie angle is a useless measurement, then can you imagine what else they don't know?
Keep it vertical!
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danny i don;t think better
danny i don;t think better golf is a fit away,unless you have some one that well work with you to be sure you are fitted right,some people will fit you, and say this is for you ,but give you ,inferior clubs that don;t come close,so be wary of those who say they can fit you .!!
If I was going to guess on
If I was going to guess on the number that return the hands and the shaft to the address position I would guess 1%.
If you can it will eliminate the toe down droop Doc touched on, From my view eliminating the toe down droop is a key element to accurate ball striking. Once overcome one only has to deal with the side to side flex axis which is a timing issue.
Years ago I found through digging the swing out of the dirt that high hands at address and 4 degrees upright was what worked. Marilyn and Dragonhead in the posts below dance around how adjustments can help or hurt ball striking.
When using the PPGS swing shorter than current standard clubs creates a lot better ball striking due to the effective lie angle being more upright.
Non-static lie angle is the way to fit players into clubs that give them the best performance.
Your explanation of the toe
Your explanation of the toe down droop was awesome. I have heard way too many static lie angle measurements that are frankly bull. A superb video that I hope many of the Surge Nation reflects on.
That said my comment on eliminating toe down droop should have been worded as minimizing the toe down droop. Returning the hands to the address position very unlikely unless they are very high to start with. Hogan did it very well but with a swing that was what is called extremely flat.
With the PPGS swing the rock and string when converted to the start of the FUS angles back due to standing to the side of the ball. When it is altered to the more angled plane the toe down droop is minimized depending on the angle that each individual finds to work the best. Don is pretty steep and D.J. less so.
The minimized droop toes down to where the center of mass on the off set club head lines up with thecenter line of the shaft. Perhaps and 1/2 an inch to an 1 1/2 depending on the manufacturer.
An incomplete explanation of what I was getting at, but a general indication.
[raises hand] ;-)
[raises hand] ;-)
Today I went out to play a
Today I went out to play a local par 3 course (I got a few free rounds on the course with a local golf card). I felt pretty good after the first three holes, a regulation par, a chip and putt par, and a sandy par. Then I started to have a problem. Every shot went right of the flag. I knew my alignment had to be screwed up, but even when I tried aiming left of the flag, my shots landed right of it (the best of them 3 feet and 5 feet respectively, then I managed to talk myself into missing the birdies).
The other thing it reminded me about, though, was that I get really angry when people won't fix their pitch marks on the green. It takes a couple seconds, that's it, and it keeps the greens in good shape so the course doesn't have to resurface them entirely. I even saw one green today where someone had clearly gotten angry about a missed putt and slammed his putter into the green. Not cool.
You could play Lil' Mole like
You could play Lil' Mole like every shot was a punch.
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