Setup Form and Swing Speed

Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:00 -- Don Trahan

The inspiration for today's video didn't come from a question submitted to the website. Instead, I'm going to discuss a recent lesson I had with a longtime student from Atlanta, Georgia. Because we don't live as close as we used to, he started taking some lessons from another instructor. The new teacher switched him to a rotational swing and soon after, he started to develop chronic back pain.

My student's back pain had become so bad that he was unable to play golf, tennis, or much of anything else that involved a lot of movement. After I got him back to swinging vertically, I worked with him on his setup and swing because his form was really bad and his arm swing was to restricted.

If you had the day off today in observance of Labor Day, take a few minutes and practice your setup and swing after watching the video. If you really want to test it out, head to the driving range or hit the golf course. 

Keep it vertical!

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John A. LLC's picture

Submitted by John A. LLC on

I have recently been introduced to this site by Robert, who I was lucky enough to meet in Vegas at the PGA show.
I am happy to be able to talk with the very Knowledgable bloggers on this site. I have read many of the comments on Putting and see experience and thought in them all. I am the inventor of the L2 Putter and have done years of trial and error testing like many of you have.
I would be happy to answer any questions anyone may have on the design of the L2 Putter line and on how the pendulum stroke that comes with it works.

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Submitted by Terry Medley on

John,

Welcome to the PPGS site. As far as I know I am the most recent here to purchase your Putter. According to UPS it is due to arrive on Monday. I have watched all the videos I could find both at your site and on Utube. I will be using mine in the face on method like Robert and not the side saddle style. I have been using various center shafted face balanced putters for over 20yrs now, but am always looking for any advancements being made in the field. Yours does intrigue me and I am anxious to give it a try.

One other thing I am concerned about is grip replacement. Do you or will you have grips for sell through your site when replacements are needed. As I mentioned to Robert, I have used the 17" Jumbo Super Stroke on my putter for the past 2yrs and have become very attached to the larger feel. I may install one on the L2 for trial with any necessary back weighting. If I find that it is detrimental to the face/head control, I may decide to switch back and need an original grip replacement. What is your opinion on the use of the Super Stroke grip with the L2. It is 1.3" dia and 85grams +/-5gms. I would appreciate your thoughts before making any changes. Thank you.

http://www.superstrokeusa.com/products/putter-grips/belly-17.html#.UiutoNLOnxA

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Submitted by John A. LLC on

Hi Terry,
We do offer grips if necessary, however I would work with the grip that comes with the putter for a while before you think of changing it. The L2 grip on the Traditional Putter is 1inch square, 16" long, and weighs 200 grams. The weight is important for the balance.
Now that you will have a larger and heavier club head, your fingers, hands, and wrists will not easily get into the stroke as was the case with the lighter, smaller putters. Oversize grips do a good job of minimizing hand control, but their light weight does nothing for balance.
The L2 square shape gives you options for hand grips, along with the additional length, to help you to establish a posture that will allow for shoulder and arm "freedom of motion".
Now your hands will be too busy holding onto the club to get involved with controlling the stroke.
thanks for your question and feel free to contact me with any other questions or issues.

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Submitted by Terry Medley on

John,

Thanks for your input. I will certainly give the original grip an adequate period of time prior to any changes. The actual difference in grip size is only .3" dia and 1" shorter than the Super Stroke, so it may not be a problem with going to an entirely new putter head and lie angle.

I do have another question though. I am a left hand low putter. Does the L2 accommodate left hand low or do you recommend a more standard putting grip , such as hands even to promote a more pendulum swing.

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Submitted by John A. LLC on

The nice thing about this club and the grip is the ability to try many options with the your hand positions. You will feel very comfortable with the left hand low, but try other options as well. The left hand low is a good way to keep the left wrist from colapsing because of the over-controlling right hand. Now, with the heavier club, you will not be able to do this as easily so you may not need the left hand low grip if you find something that fits you better.
The idea of a big, heavy, flat bottom putter, is that it has a mind of its own and will not "do" everything you may want. what it does do is keep you constant which is a huge advantage when the pressure is on.

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Submitted by CHASTEL on

Dear John,I am intrigued with your fine L 2 putter .Not knowing what it is ,I went on your site to find out .It'sure a very intelligent invention .However I am a very old timer in golf (I am 79 ,moving on fast to 80).I've been playing golf since âge 14 ,and I have witnessed many new designs in clubs and putters alike: for example I am of THE school of thought who believes that "Feel " is Paramount in golf:I prefer THE old blade clubs to THE "périmeter weighted"clubheads .Idem for THE putter heads .I've tested al THE new putters coming on THE Market ,THE Heavy Putter ,theYAR putter ,THE new ODYSSEY Professional .They are good putters ,but they obliterate THE "Feel"Factor .After many trial and error endeavors ,I have adoptéd THE WALTER HAGEN//Bobby LOCKE technique:my upper arms are tucked in my chest ,I rock my shoulders ,my stroke is inside/Down THE Line,myball is positioned off my left big toe ,I address THE ball with the toe of the putter ,my backstroke is long and fluid ,close to THE turf.I give an overspin to THE ball ,and a slight "draw " spin .
Paramount to my stroke is where I contact THE ball on THE blade:it has to be very ,very accurate ,so I CAN feel exactly what happens .
I am a good putter (28/32puts per round ,sometimes much lower ,depending on my form THE given day )
So how CAN I acheive THE same stroke with THE very good looking L 2?
I couldn't with THE YAR putter which is based on THE same principle as yours !

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Submitted by John A. LLC on

Hi Chastel,
You sound like a dedicated golfer who has worked long on acheiving a repeatable stroke. Your FEEL motivation and arm securing stroke is a classic method for putting most putters on the market as successfully as they can be putted.
I too believe in touch and feel in putting, however, I see this as a distance factor only. On an average putt, We see our distance to be covered,estimate the green conditions for grain, and break, and then use our binocular vision to translate all of this into the energy input we wish to transfer to the ball.
The trick comes when we transfer all this to feel. We do a great deal of our feel with our fingers, hands, and wrists. Unfortunatly, these are the muscles that we try to avoid when putting because there are so many of them that a misfire is very possible. And when the adrenaline rush gets going, they become super charged, making them almost feel like someone elses hands when you need them most.
The concept of a big heavy putter is to allow back stroke size to determine distance not hitting energy. The fact that a larger heavy object will remain stable as it passes through the air, and is capable of transferring more energy on its own simply because of the momentum it can generate is fact.
To use a putter such as this does require a free motion without upper arm anchoring and a shoulder/arm movement that will release the clubhead on the backstroke as well as the follow-through in order to maintain a square face , down the line.
The putters on the market are trying to fit into a disigned stroke that has been built to swing these putter designs. It is a very interesting cycle which appears as though they giving a multitude of options in looks and designs, when in fact, they perform the same. It now becomes a matter of "personal preference" to the golfer that decides which putter fits him. I see it as a great sales angle that has club companies spending millions to promote a club based on looks, feel and touch, who uses it, and personal preferences when in fact the designs themselves do not actually help you putt better.
The comment that fishing lures are not designed to catch fish, they are designed to catch fisherman can easily apply to putters.
The simple fact that some of the best golfers out there today, are anchoring these clubs to their body in an effort to stabilize them for more stroke size is a testimony to their instibility. You will notice though, that the USGA is still going to allow elbows to be anchored to the body after 2016, which, to my knowledge, does not match a full "traditional" golf swing anymore than anchor putting does, but is almost a must if a small light putter is to be used....But that is another topic.

CHASTEL's picture

Submitted by CHASTEL on

Dear Mr Anderson ,
Thank youbfor your interesting comments,
So I understand the clever L 2 putter is not for me .
I have tried every thing to become good putter :the LANGER grip ,the BROOMHANDLE ,the Belly ,THE 2 Ball ,to finally adopt THE classical blade ,Heel shafted ,not even balanced .
For me ,apart from THE technique I have described ,all is in THE feel in THE fingers ,and looking at THE hole to ascertain THE distance ,Of course this requires extensive Practice.In m'y basement ,I practise THE lag putting on a WELLNESS CARPET ,30 feet long ,and THE short putting on 9 feet carpets .
Even magician BEN CRENSHAW practised a lot !

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Submitted by John A. LLC on

Sorry I didn't see your comment until now. I guess i am still new at this.
I think you are right. Your stroke thoughts and habits are to well established to take on the overhaul.
Using a big heavy club requires leaving a lot of the old stuff behind. In fact, the tempo and motion of the stroke, along with the alignment ritual, is very different than what is been thought of as mainstream putting.
But good luck to you and your game. I appreciate the chance to discuss my passion and hope to learn from this site as I do.

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