The Plane Is The Same

Can't claim the same silence. If he does something well or worth observing I'll speak up. I don't believe in the jinks thing and will say something as the mood strikes :o :)

Some were, but it's actually all previous videos originally posted under the old PPGS UTube registration. Everything prior to Jan 1st 2011. I think Robert has offered a very plausible cause.

Boog

I got the same results pal.
Dick

It's mine, but I wasn't going to worry about claiming credit. ;-)

Jetman:  There was a parting of the ways between Surge and his former partners back in early January.  The two companies are not "intertwined" and have gone different directions.  This site is the only "official" Surge site.  R2  

Tina

Take a page from my personal "life experiences" and don't practice this drill across a pond or stream from a house that has a lot of windows.  No one told me that when I was a kid.  That one cost me a good beating from my old man and a full day of work at the house in question to pay for the window.

No wonder I flinch when Surge talks about skipping stones, it still hurts to sit down.
Dick

Robert F:

   here I go again -- beign "different Amos" LOL

   With my LEFT hand (right handed golfer) the pressure is decidedly in the last three fingers. On the right hand the pressure is pretty even with a sligth bias to the thumb and index finger.
    The mental image is -- the left hand/arm/shoulder is a control device (like the radius rod in an automobile suspension) while the right hand/arm/shoulder is "held in reserve to apply the power when called on" -- usually produce a very straight shot with very little curvature.

    This may not be exactly what is happening, of course -- but the imagery seem to work - at least most of the time.   See today's action report.

     keep hittign them STRAIGHT and LONG

     Amos

   
     

Don, the small drop inside is so important, thanks for that.  It seems to me that this is initiated by the forward "bump", and without that forward motion, it would be really difficult to drop inside.   Denis  U.K.

Not yet, Just notified them an hour or so ago.

I actually agree with you in that I see virtually no difference in getting to 12 o'clock vertical at the top (as viewed down-the-line) and then getting slightly laid off at the beginning of the downswing, versus just getting to slightly laid off at the top and starting the downswing from there.  In fact, I think the latter is probably easier to do and doesn't require the fighting of the tendency to lay off slightly that Surge advocates.  I also find it a strain on my shoulders to get to perfectly vertical.

I think the key to all this is the phrase "slightly laid off."  I would suggest that this means no more laid off than 11 o'clock which is still within the parameters of a vertical swing according to Surge.

I know this works for me and leads to greater consistency and power than trying to get to 12 o'clock.

You're looking good, Surge. A very helpful explanation.

You could try teeing it a little lower, or be very assiduous about hovering the driver behind the teed-up ball at the correct height for where you want to swing through. Personally, I never ground my driver behind the ball on the tee, as I don't want the club coming through too low. I always hover at the height of the ball.

Coach:

    I need to make a slight ammendment ot my original assessment of the xFIXx balls regarding "stopping power" or spin.
    IF you make perfect contact with 8i to LW, they can stop on a dime and give you .07 change.  In fact on the back nine yesterday, I hit two wedge shots that stopped where they hit the green -- like the ball had aobut 3" spike on it.
    However, if contact is "less than perfect" - even slightly less, then the orginal evaluation stands.

    keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

    Amos

Coach et al,

I found some of the old videos by doing a search on YouTube for "ppgsgolfswing". It took me straight to them.

Kevin

Surge Nation

I am taking my busted up and sore body to the rack.

I hope everyone who is getting in a round tomorrow has a great time.

Dad called today and wants me to take a break and play with him and the posse tomorrow.  So, I am going to get up early, drop off some samples at the health department and the lab, and then go take them on.  I need to get my mind off all this for a couple of hours.  I have not been at the course since the storms.  The twister that went through the kids home town passed in the general direction of the course.  I will just have to see what if any damage it suffered.

Have a restful night and I will catch up with you all when I get in tomorrow evening.
Dick

Yeah, Mike,

Waaaaaaaaaay too long!

Kevin

Hi Steve. Yeah, these guys have success from slightly across the line. Don, DJ.
And Jim Furyk, of course, is great example of executing beautifully from significantly
across.

I can't argue with results. They've all got game. 

Still, I pause....for the SIMPLE swing, the true vertical (or across the line swing) creates another step, one more "angle" if you will, that needs to be resolved at some point.
 A Slightly Laid Off swing...is light weight and on plane and ready to go....simple.

Thanks to you and Robert for a taking a few moment. Your perspectives make 
a lot of sense. Glad to have this is a place where
we can share our views and move it forward.

Simply Golf

 

Thanks for the update.

Surge:  Excellent video as usual.  I've found that the Swing Tech trainer that you recommend does an outstanding job of teaching the exact swing plane and also helps you know and feel exactly where the club should be at ANY point in the swing.   I've started using mine on a daily basis for myself and my beginning students, and highly recommend it because it works, plain and simple.  Hit 'em straight, R2

Hi

Question about golf balls - it seems that the type of ball make a difference - I say seems as it could be just a mind thing. I'm gradually getting the surge swing but I feel no matter what swing I have I can't hit certain types of balls at all.   Am I imaging this or do balls make a difference.

regards

Mike M Melb Aust

Keith, sounds like you're suffering from similar swing ailments as myself. I had great improvements on the range yesterday by working on two simple aspects of Surginomics. One, I reviewed the "master set up" video so I had my right shoulder soft and down while my right forarm was in that recomended position. Two, my wife pointed out to me that I was well inside of the mit and parallel to my right foot too early. In other words I was maybe a foot or more too far inside of the ideal mit position on my BUS. This put me back in the SBG at the top and in an impossible position to get back on plane. If you read my post from yesterday you'll see the fix including the thought on the video taping we did. So with the master set up and getting into the mit correctly, this helped me get into a better position at the top and you guessed it, I started hitting the ball straight and long.
     Sometimes the fixes are fairly easy IF we can see the proof on film. Then we can move toward the cure.

Don't get confused into thinking Surge is talking about a move like you see from Ryan Moore or Jim Furyk. He says that the club tries to move itself into a laid off position at the transition and we should resist that. It creates a little flex but we do not let the club actually get back behind the ankles as Moore does.

As for your problem with the weak slice and "fixing" it by flattening your plane a little, I think you really need to get video of what you're doing and/or get a Swing Surgeon certified instructor to work with you. Most likely you were starting your transition with the upper body, getting yourself outside the line coming into impact. Your "correction" is basically to aim your upper body right of your lower body so that when you make that move with the upper body first, it brings you close to on-the-line rather than out-to-in. The proper solution is to start the FUS with the weight shift from your back foot to your front foot while keeping your head as still as possible. That creates the bump and the secondary spine tilt and brings you through in the slot.

Steve

This is bringing back a flood of memories along that line.  Yes, harness straps hurt like heck.  One of my favorite stories about doing something that you think can't happen involved my first experience with a bow and arrows.  We had an old barn beside the house.  Dad always parked his car in there.  Like a lot of old barns, there were 1/2" gaps between the side boards.  I think you know where this going.  I put my big bulls eye target on the side of the barn.  I shot a couple of arrows and they stuck right in the boards behind the target.  After a couple of shots, one just went through the target and disappeared.  I wish I had never found it.  But alas, I did.  It went right through the driver's side door of dad's car.  That would have been bad enough, but it got worse.  The window was down at the time.  I worked a good part of the summer for free that year.  That one got me the razor sharpening strap.  That strap was saved for the really big stuff.  Looking back now, I guess I would have to agree with dad, that was a pretty big one.

Do you see a trend here?

I told dad that I had to learn how to shoot a bow because I am 1/8 Cherokee.  He reminded me that he was 1/4 Cherokee, and then went on the war path on my butt.  I think he finally stopped when he smelled burning flesh and saw that he was sending up smoke signals.

Darn, those were the good old days.  I miss that man so much.
Dick

I will no longer give updates on the events of DJs rounds, but if you want to follow his play on Shot Tracker, he's on the first tee at the Byron Nelson now.

Robert Meade:

    YESssssssssssssssss!  or

    "How SWEET it IS!!"   (Jackie Gleaon as Ralph Cramden in the "the Honeymonners")

      But the "detective work" can sure be frustrating.

     Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG,

     Amos

Thanks Kevin, I did know about those ones. I think we are probably just going to have to wait and see what comes out from Tech Support on the issue of our pre 2011 archived videos.

Robert

Cindy is a great name for a wife...lol. Mine doesn't play but she is good with the video camera

Lynn42

Polite and honest question, Dave, and the Surgites will respond. They are a great resource.

I also have a question:  I've asked before about being slightly laid off VS. true vertical. 
On this video, Don mentions a loop that must take place to get get back on plane. 
That's Correct. When you are vertical, it must take place. (At 3:40 mark of this video.)

So, we want "fewer angles" to keep it simple, yes?

I come back to this question:  into and at the top of the backswing...
why not be SLIGHTLY LAID OFF?   (Hi Doc...we've explored this 
before and I'm still trying to understand. Thanks for your patience)

SLO is still a very light club that is already pretty much ON plane when starting the FUS.
Simple: No loops, No new angles, and On plane. (Just don't let the club get away from you...that can happen with either scenario.)

OK Nation, thanks for your input.

Simply Golf

Robert F:
 
   I am truly sorry for the mix-up. I knew it was ONE of the "regulars" though

   Amos

Well I dashed off to the range, I couldn't wait! I set up with flared feet and the rest of the master setup and got to say that my driver was better until halfway through then the inconsistency crept in and leaking right did to.

So will still make sure I flare the feet in the future and see how it goes. 

Hello to ALL SURGE-ites :

   today was "the wrost of times(front nine) - and the best of times (back nine)  AKA "who knows what evil lies in a golfer's swing?  the SHADOW does -- and he tells ALL"

    I started off hitting the ball solid and reasonably long -- but every thing was left, left, and more left!  Foruttanetly I was playing for the right center of most most fairways, so I found myself palying from the extreme left edge of most fairways - but the approaches, chips and putts -- not even close!   Shot an opening nice of 53 -- that has to be my highest score in at least a year! 
     After I had exhausted all the usual "quick fixes" - checks on grip, posture, stance, alignment etc on the 10th tee I noticed that the sun was finally in a favorable postion for the "Shadow test" -- and EUREKA! There is was -- my head was wigggling around like a "Bobble hesad" doll!!  2 more practice swings with the shadow - and a rock steady head.  Went to the tee and hit the longest highest and straightest Drive of the day -- I swear to within a foot of the target line and nearly 200 yards.   And so it went for the rest of the back nine.  It must have looked like a "OK whoa re you ? and what have you done with Amos?"
   after my customary bogies on 10 and 11 (they are both two long me to get pars very often) it was time "to go work" on the "reverse Amen corner"  (I really need a better name for that stretch of holes - the 4 "easiest" on the course - I considered "the Happy Hunting gorund" but that is too long and it might offend the Native Americans -- we MUST be politically correct at all times ;<).
   And go to work I did -- parred all 4 of them - 2 GIR and 2 nearly perfect chips for tap-ins of less than a foot.  Bogies on 16 and 17 and a par on 18 resutled in a back nine 40 --- tied my "personal best" for about the 4th or 5th time on that side.

     note to Steve Smith -- after that front nine, I think the Vewgas odds fell to about 1/4 to 1 !  but after the back nine it may be back to about 1 to 1  ROFLOL!

      final results :

       hit 12 of 14 fairways = but many on the front nine were in the wrong place - making a more difficult approach
        2 Gir  -- both in the back nine
        30 putts  and at least  4 or maybe 5 "near chip ins" for putts of less than a foot -- make that about 1 1/2" on 18 !
         6 bunkers -- 5 on the front nine
         5 pars (all in the back nine)
         9 bogies
         2 double bogies, 1 triple and 1 "other" - and 8 on the par 4 First hole.  I seem to find more ways to mess up that hole than you can imagine -- -- and it should be such an easy bogie hole with an occasional par.

         Score: 53 + 40 = 93

          Oh well -- Friday is another day!    And ANY day on the golf course with fresh air and sunshine beats the H*** out of sitting home !!

          Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

          Amos

Jim Wile:

   You just described my swing!! and yes it is ONLY "slightly laid off" -- near to 11:30 in my case.

    Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

    Amos

Dan

Thanks for the after action report.  That is pretty darn good shooting pal.  Sounds like it is coming together for you.  This could turn out to be a great golf season for you.

Looking forward to seeing how your game progresses.
Dick

Armand,

In a perfect Surge Swing, the swing would be perfectly vertical - perpendicular to the ground. The line from the shoulders to the hands defines the vertical plane. At set-up, one establishes an angle (when looking down the toe-line) between the forearms and the club shaft. Ideally, as one makes the backswing, the hands go on a vertical plane, presuming that the spine angle is maintained throughout.

Most of us - dare I say all - are not perfect, even Don. As a result, our "vertical ferris wheel" is slightly off kilter - maybe 15* tilt. I, for one, find it quite difficult to consistently visualize an 15* tilt. I can, however, visualize vertical and end up on a 15* tilt. Surge teaches an idealized swing that we should get as close to as our individual abilities allow us.

The concepts of the Swing Surgeon Golf Swing are 100% scientifically valid. My ability to achieve that 100% valid swing concept is far less than 100%. We each do the best we can while striving for perfection in everything; golf and life.

May you get maximum enjoyment in both.

Kevin

Aramand:

   Would you be happier if DON had used the word "Tolerances" instead of parameters?  As on an Enginerring/Shop blueprint. where a part may be designed to be say 24.00 inches long -- but it dimensioned as 24.00 +/- .03 -- or somtimes 23.97 - 24.03.
   That is what DON really means when he says "parameters" -- a tolerance on VERTICAL -- VERTICAL is PERFECT , but 11:00 is "acceptable" -- and so is anything else between 11:00 and 12:00.  The goal being for the individual person to get as close to 12:00 as possible.

    keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

    Amos     

  .your heels are only !/2 inch apart?  send  video please . lol

I have NEVER been able to skip stones!   And that drill, therefore, has never been very meanfingul.  Is there any hope for me?  I thought it was just a girl thing....oh well   :)

Nice deal, Robert. I bet she gives you a family discount on coaching rates. Better not let Surge certify her or you won't be able to afford the sessions.

Hi Dave,

You should not finish and stay in a reverse C position. There are a couple things in the Surge Swing to note that prevent this. One, at impact you should pop-tart up AFAP (as fast as possible). Essentially Surge is saying with that to release all of the held energy of the swing and keeping the swing center behind the ball through the moment of impact. That full release helps in generating the power of the swing. Second, when you reach the T-Finish, you recoil and relax in a straight standing position on the outside of your forward foot facing the target. The recoil and relax keeps you out of that reverse C. For a moment at the end of the swing, the momentum may pull your shoulders back behind your hips if you swing really hard, but you'll finish standing up after the recoil.

That's a great reminder, SS. Just an hour ago I was
launching a small bucket here at Black Oak (NorCal)...uhm...
let's just say it did not go well. Today was "paint the hosel red" day.

Too big a swing, not quiet in the lower body, yada, yada...
and I'll betcha a $1 that my hands, in the downswing, were off the toe line.

SG

Coach:

   You are welcome Sir! Glad to be of service.

    Amos

Your system has changed my life.  Golf has become so much more fun.  My driving has become very consistent, generally without slices and a lot further down the fairway.  Same for my 3, 4, and 5 hybrids. However, I have developed a real problem with my irons --- hitting behind the ball.  I am getting more discouraged daily as my drives are very satisfactory (for a 65 year old retired soldier) but, I am digging earth 30 percent of the time 3 to 4 inches behind the ball with irons.  I tell myself my swing mechanics are identical.  There must be a simple fix.   Help!!

Lou Jones.