Center of Gravity, Center of Swing

Jerry, the simple first solution is to hit play and then pause and go get a cup of coffee. When you come back, most of the video should be loaded and you can hopefully play it through without breaking up. Alternately, depending on your operating system there are programs that will let you download YouTube videos to your computer.

 Seal team 6 ?

 Craig, Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Got your points guys... thx! Just frustrated with no improvement sometimes, that's all. I won't give up yet, hell no. I will break 80 lol... 

John:  Hang in there!  Keep us up-to-date on how your swing is (or isn't) progressing and someone here will be able to give you pointers and guidance.  Never give up, never surrender!  R2 

 How do you like that!  I turn on  my computer and Dick immediately cracks me up!

How was everybody's day on the course?  I got to spend a couple of hours after work today at Tanglewood and played 18.  (It's a par 3 ;)  I didn't hit too many greens, due to some wicked crosswinds.  However, my wedges were spot on and so was my putter.  I ended up parring about half of the holes and bogeying the other half.  I also had one birdie when I chipped in on the seventh.

The only down part of my day was when I had to kick three sh^$#eads off of the course for misbehavior.  Tanglewood might only be a little podunk par three, but I love that little course and  work my butt off to  make it a nice place for folks to bring their kids and have a good time.

Well, I better sign off and take a short nap.   I have to go out to the airport at midnite to pick up my dad who is coming for a week long visit.

Hit'em Long and Straight,
Bob

 Dragonhead, I have You and Dick in my thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery. I have been having mild to moderate upper right back  problems of late, mine are around the bottom of the shoulder blade area and wraps around to the right side area. I'm fairly sure it is from too much tension in an improper swing motion, but I need to further analyze the cause and actions which seem to aggravate it the most. It's sore with activity, especially golf, and slightly when sleeping on the right side, but so far at least, it is not sufficient to hinder golf or other activities. 3 Aleve do wonders before golf. If any of you have had similar area muscle soreness and know a possible swing fault/cause, pass it on. As others have said, despite the many benefits of age, there are often many pains as well. One huge benefit for me, is the winter weight loss. I can walk a golf course again, without feeling tired and winded. Best wishes for good health and speedy recoveries to all.

Would appreciate it very much is someone can give me the website to see Don's and DJ's swing. 

patg

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Ricjoy1, You say that you have already seen the videos and that you watched them again anyway, but you still evidently have not read and looked at the swing clock lesson carefully, because you are still misquoting what it says and shows. In the video that I re-post the link to once more for you to CAREFULLY read and Scrupulously scan the pictures.

This is your sentence.
"Correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be some leeway in the vertical position. the way I read it is that the surge swing is somewhere between true vertical & 11 o'clock when viewed from the front with the clock behind.the person."
That is completely wrong. When viewed from the front, as clearly shown in PIC 3, the finish position at the top of the swing, with the clock in back of the person is around 1 to 2 O'clock. The very last sentence in the paragraph above pic 3 even says the following.
"Whereas for PPG, with our backswing ¾ length parameters, anything past 2:00 o’clock and certainly parallel is considered an over swing."

You seem to be confusing a test position as a finish position. When Don states that the club will slide straight down through your hands when vertical. He does not mean this is the finish position of your backswing.
He is simply saying that IF you stop your swing at THAT POINT in the unfinished backswing, THEN, IF, the club is not too laid off, meaning in the sacred burial ground, or leaning too far forward infront of or past your toe line, THEN, the club should slide straight down through your hands. THIS IS ONLY A TEST POSITION, of vertical from the side view, compared to staying out of the SBG, It is not your backswing finish position. Picture #3, is your finish position at 1:30 O'clock and maybe as far as 2:00 O'clock. The only time 11:00 O'clock is referenced as acceptable is in reference to a side view, meaning, if you go beyond 11:00 towards 10:00, you are entering into the SBG area, but 11:00 is acceptable limits with 12:00 being ideal.This time please take a closer look at the lesson of the Swing clock defined. It is fully explained there. Good luck and God bless. I hope this helps clear things up for you.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Here is another good link that might be helpful to you.
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

In the act of hitting the ball, yes, it most certainly does matter as tempo needs to be accomplished rythmcally and doing the way you decribed would present somewhat of a "spatic" swing. 

However, to make slower back swings to get the feel of the swing in practice and only practice, it would be ok.  This would be as in front of a mirror to see your movement and positions.  But, once you put a ball down and are attempting to strike the ball, keep the swing smooth. 

I can't play with this swing anymore, slice or fate the ball most of the time.

 Dick mate, Sorry to hear about your back. Scary stuff indeed. I sympathize through my present pain. Can't even bend down to pick anything up. Sorting through what I am trimming down for carryon and checked luggage prior to the arrival of the "Moving Coy" I dropped some instructions and a pair of sleep eye covers. Had to put some Blue-Tac on the end of a piece of tubing to pick them up. Heather would do it in a heartbeat for me, but like you, being an all or nothing sh*t or bust individual like someone I know, we pay the price and how!
Just do yourself and all of us members of the family or Surge Nation, a favour. Take it easy and GET WELL SOON brother!
I started to go through all my SwingSurgeon videos this morning. See the TechClan are having a problem with them at the moment.Didn't mind terribly having to wait ten minutes or more to watch a 1' 37"sec video. In fact it was quite good. It allowed me to mull over the information, prior to more being shown. So out of bad comes good. Patience is indeed a virtue. Just had an excruciating pain shoot up from the OTHER trigger point on the left shoulder blade @#$%^&* Old age never comes alone.
In my thoughts and prayers Dick. Stay well, stay safe and above all stay HAPPY for US as well as your extended family. You give us all encouragement and make us laugh. Humour is a wonderful medicine.
Keep it sensible and pain free in Oklahoma 13 hours behind us in Dalian,China. And 18hours behind NZ. You can't see me, but I am watching you, so BEHAVE!God Bless you brother.

Hello Surge Nation:  

   I KNOW you are all breathlessly awaitng my latest after action report and de-briefing -- so here goes! LOL

   I played this Monday morning -- 7:30 tee time, playing by myself again jsut behind the men's club local tournament - two foursomes, but they all play fairly fast, so after the couple of holes, it was all moving at about my pace.

    hit 9 of 14 fairways, with 4 GIR (two in each nine)  resulting in

    1 Birdy (chip in on #9) 6 Pars, 7 Bogies, 3 Double Boiges and 1 Triple Bogie ( I guess I had a "Senior Moment" on #17 -- totally lost all semblace of SS swing for  4 consectutive shots to score 8 on a par 5)

     Driving Average: 177 in Fairway ; 173 All.  it would have higher, but I hit a tree, watched the ball rebound backwards about 35 or 40 yards for a net 141 yards. OUCH!! I hate when that happens!   The longest drives -- one at 194, 1 at 188 -- most were between 170 and 185
 
     2 Bunker hit - but out in 1 and at least on the Green on both of them :<))  The second was almost a Sandy -- missed a 12 foot by about 2 inches.
 
    also -- 9 one putts against 2 three putts for 29 total putts used.

    only penalty - -hit one in the water on # 8

    Most unusal thing -- 3 pars on each nine.

    The tee marker setter must have been in a foul mood today -- the YELLOW markers (2nd tees) were nearly back to the normal WHITES (3rd set) and so forth -- all tees were moved "way back" -- SO just maybe I can play the WHITES -- somedays at least.  NOTE: It felt good to hit a Driver on #9 again (with the tee moved back) and no worry of reaching the water -- still took 4 to reach that Par 5 -- but the 4th shot was the 10 yard pitch and run that went in the hole for birdy.

     Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

     Amos 

Bunuya hudee,

You would be quite correct IF you were taking a lesson. These videos are not considered golf LESSONS in the true sense of the words. These are golf TIPS, which the Surge is giving us for free. If you want golf lessons from him or one of his certified instructors, make an appointment and fork over the big bucks, or you (if you haven't already) can purchase his video lessons and manual here on his website.

Kevin

Tec Crew, Before the latest video lesson gets posted on Swingsurgeon.com. You might want to correct the spelling of Trahan as it is posted at the Utube site.

Error has been corrected.

Welcome back!

John

Don't blame the swing if you aren't doing it right.  Surge just did a video where he said the pressure out on the knees isn't constant pushing out, it is just enough to keep the legs in place.  He also said the outward pressure is only during the BUS, not the whole swing.

Did you buy the videos and manual and study them?  Don't do a half assed try of something and then say it does not work.

It works if you work at it.  Sorry it ain't waving a magic wand and poof you are on the tour.
Dick

Dick

So sorry to hear about your back, it sounds even worse than mine was before I found Surge, so I feel for you.

Hope the Doc is able to come up with a miracle cure for you.

Hang on in there - although I suppose that will hurt as well.

All the best

Cheers

Brian 

Donny,

All Swing Surgeon Swing instructors, Surge included, talk about pre-loading heavy right.  If you're hurting your back that way, then I think you're having a problem with your legs not staying properly flexed, which can cause you to spin out the hips and adds stress to the lower back. Get some video of your swing in action to see what's actually happening and try practicing the swing positions in slow motion in front of a full-length mirror. You can see and feel what is happening that way. If you don't have a full-length mirror, you can try a sliding glass door--those often give very good reflections to work from.

OMG, great minds and all that.  Exactly what I was thinking! 

Steve:  Great story!  Some pretty wierd things happen when we play this crazy game.  Thanks for sharing the experience with us.  R2 

Lynn, I read one of your posts where you talked about your back pains. I can relate. When I ended up in the hospital, Vicodin and morphine did not work on me. They had to try several pain killers until they found one that worked, and it worked for only two hours. I had to ring for the nurses every two hours and ask for more pain killers or a gun, whichever was more convenient. After three or four days, I
could stretch the intervals out to five or six hours, then I didn't need it after five days.

The person you responded to said that he had back spasms. That's how my episode started. The ER docs thought it was just muscle spasms, but it wasn't. Then they thought it was kidney stones, but it wasn't. I would have been better of if it had been kidney stones, as painful as they are.

Best wishes for pain management (I hope I remembered right).

I definitely do need to. We're getting a splash of rain here downtown right now. Hopefully it'll all blow through before you hit the tees.

 EUREKA....makes total sense to me..great video today Surge.

JT

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I would just like to get out and play. I have played 5 rounds this year so far because of rain. It is raining here in Cincy today and calling for rain 4 of the next 6 days. I do have a tournament Saturday I guess it will be cart path only again. Wish this rain would stop. 

Hi Robert F,
Thank you very much for replying to my problem. This has really worried me since I started learning the vertical swing. I have always thought about Ben Hogan's plane of glass,which I thought was from the ball position to over the shoulders.I know that he had a fairly flat rotational swing & I have always tried to keep my hands below that pane of glass & I thought the vertical swing "broke" through that pane.The way that you explain swinging the arms simplifies my thoughts. Just one question,how does Ben Hogan's plane compare to the vertical plane? Is it a lot flatter than the vertical one?
Regards,
Eric

 Hello Mr. Trahan,

I have been following you and your great technics for almost a year now and with the very bad weather that we have here near Montreal, Quebec Canada we do not play much golf these days so I was reviewing my account videos and I review the one about you Title Don Trahan split screen swing examples which I found very great to watch, and  I  hope that one day I will have a swing like this...... Here my questions : Right before almost every swing with different clubs, just the moment  before you do  a check to find where is the catcher's mit,  I am not sure what you are doing but it  seem to mee that you are moving your buts to the left or maybe you are hardening your body or you maybe you are positioning yourself heavy right but I am not sure what it is....Please clarify.... Good examples are right before hitting your 8-7-6 irons...Thanks....Regards.

And knees sore maybe due to constant pushing out (wide out knee) at address and throughout the swing. 

 Your backhand chip is a favourite of mine Bob. It has got me out of a lot of scrapes.
Another I am going to practice when I can swing again, is[providing you have room to do it]:
Stand the way you were,back to the flag or green, with the ball level with your left ankle.Take your normal grip on the club and swivel just your upper body around and make your shot.
This is good for the grassy edge of a bunker, where you don't have a stance and a danger of falling anus over ulna into the bunker.
I like your last paragraph too. Keep it Vertical and long where ever you are.

 Opps - -I meant you and COACH -- but I think Steve agrees also

  Amos

 Dragonhead

Very well done my friend.  I copied and saved that.

It is very appropriate for what is going on in my life right now.  Thanks for lifting my spirits.
Dick

Given that you're paying the teaching pro at the course or range for the lesson, that's a different issue. But if you were at a barbecue and Phil Mickelson offered you a few thoughts on chipping, you wouldn't tell him, "I'll listen when you take it to the course, Phil." Surge's back porch lessons are a lot like that. Helpful reminders given free of charge to anyone who wants to listen. 

What is rain? Here in Phoenix we rarely do that. :)

Welcome back to you! Surge has been at this site since January but based on a stupid legal decision wasn't allowed to let everybody know.

John:  Sounds like you are really trying too hard to do the basic stance set-up.   Your knees should be directly over your ankles (ride a skinny horse) and your feet no more than shoulder width apart and flared 30*.  The outward pressure is VERY slight - just enough to keep the lower body still during the back swing until the bump occurs.  The bump starts your weight shift from your back foot to the front foot, and you release the outward pressure on the knees.  If you have the manual and the videos, all this is explained in detail.  R2

Being an old football coach, I know how painful a spasm can be, and dibiltating also. The only advice I have for you is what I used to tell my players and myself when times got tough.
" Tough times don't last forever, tough people do." Hang in there. 

 I can sniff a 79 in the air and not too far away!  Regards, Craig

Dick, I like what you wrote, especially the "It's all good" line.  Another great line was taught to me by a tennis teammate who collapsed on the tennis court and needed two stents.  He said to me after he was released from the hospital, "It is what it is, and you just have to deal with it."  I also learned the meaning of something I heard before but didn't fully understand it--"Live each day like it is the last day of your life, and you won't have any regrets."

 Dan

Sounds like the positives are outweighing the negatives.  Glad it is working out for you.

Good to hear you finally got some decent golf weather.
Dick

Boog:  You will REALLY like the SwingRite - it does exactly what you need it to do.  I got one from Doc about a year ago and it honestly makes a difference since the only way to make it "click" is to do the swing the right way - including the bump.   I practice with mine every day for a few minutes and always take it with me to the range and for warm-up before a round.  I also have my beginning students work with it so they better understand the bump and how it "feels".  Thanks for your report!  R2  

Charlie

Luckily I've not had a back issue since I started with Surge's method about a year ago.  I hope you're doing better.

 Robert, here's hoping you have a happy round, sounds like a fun afternoon. Can't wait to hear the after action report.
Boog

 One thing I have learnt is that the swing is small movements so there is a fine line, so don't take some examples to extremes. Most of the movements in a golf swing are difficult to pick out until you use slow motion as a golf swing is that fast, then it becomes more clear.
This doesn't make it any easier to do, just clearer in your mind what you are trying to make your body come as close to achieving.
 

I totaly agree, it sucks, big time. I'm about 4hrs north of you in the
Akron/Canton area.