What Grip Works Best With The PPGS?

Halfway to the ball is a problem for me....
that's about where the excess begins,
as if squeezing the grip will help. 

My fingers, forearms, and ball flight
talk to me...."what the H are you doing?
Just let it go. We gotcha covered."

And when I let it go, that's when the 
golf ball actually does go.

btw- Copy that on the smaller bat.
Maybe left-eye dominance helps, 
but with my "little stick"
I find I could really make consistent contact.

Not unlike PPGS : shorter clubs,
adequate grip pressure, and a
compact, quiet swing.

Good info on the grip, Don

I have had had my best results, actually, with 
a baseball grip. That was my sport and my hands
are quite comfortable, release more consistent,
with all 10 digits on or touching the grip. 
Grip pressure I need to pay attention to:
this is a golf club, not a baseball bat:
striking a static, smallish golf ball,
not a 85 mph, moving hardball.

My forearms, fingers and ball flight give me instant feedback
when there is too much grip pressure.

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Don, Could you also talk about club "grips".  My fitter found
that all my club grips were too small. The tips of
my fingers were pushing into the fat part of my thumb.

With a full set of correctly sized grips installed,
I have a new...."grip"...on my game. Excuse the 
pun, but really, the new grips have made a noticeable difference.

Funny because I learned golf with the overlapping grip and either alternative grip just feels monstrously weird to me. :)

Got one. Love it.

On the links, on the boat...
just about everywhere, they simply work.

Surge,   my grip is interlocking, that was the way I started and it works for me.  As for putting, my finger runs down the shaft.  Played today, so nice out and played pretty well.   As I said before, I think about skipping the rock and it helps so much!!  Started reading the Extraordinary Golf last night and love it so far, think it will be one that I read about every spring, at least for awhile.  

Thanks for your help,

Can't wait to get back out there, Sunday,,
marilyn

Cool stuff, Smith. Thx for the golf wisdom.

Have u heard this piece of golf wisdom ?

The very last thought-action at address, is to intentionally bring too much grip pressure, but then slowly release until one feels the "correct" grip pressure. 
When grip pressure feels happy,  that moment ...becomes the trigger point for the takeaway. Uhm...just to clarify...."happy" is my word,and the source did not use this word.I'm sure this can be articulated with moretechnical language, but I like simple.

it is all dependant upon the club's lenghts

hey don, have you ever looked at your club when you are at the top of your back-swing? it does not look perpendicular to the ground to me. looks more like a 45 degree angle to me . what gives? another thing. when you are at address the angle between your forearm and the club is roughly 160 degrees. at the top of your back-swing the angle is 90 degrees. your wrists had to cock somewhere to change that angle. what gives? 

Interesting. When I'm struggling with stuff, I do often squeeze my grip and then ease back to the "active but not tight" level, but I've never thought of using it like a swing key.

I feel the same way & have experimented with interlock , but allways used overlap. With the putter I have my pointing finger down the shaft & have used both pointing fingers straight down the shaft,& feel it stops wrist action & gives me a better feel for judging distance.
   On another topic, I have found I've been preloading heavy right too much, & have gone to a 40/60 & could'nt beleive how good I was driving the ball after changing. Balance & timing is better  & now smoken it down the middle. Did'nt think a little thing like that could make such a differance

A vertical club is viewed looking down the aiming line, not front on. There is no wrist cock in the Surge swing & I'm sure thousands of Surges followers will back me on this. If you are truely keen on learning something you can look it up in the search bar to the right of this page.  But judging buy your comments you are here only to try & find faults with everything & dazzle us with your profound knowledge of golf, to which you are wasteing your & my time, as we've heard it all before

Russty, I find I tend to overdue preload too. 60/40 sounds about right. We have alot of windy days here in the desert. Surges advice on how to hiy into the wind is perfect. He says no preload into the wind but more even weighting and tee it high and then swing more level, not up. Works like a charm (lucky Charm inthe spirit of Saint Patty!). Hit a drive straight, lower traj and about 260 into a 30 mph wind yesterday.  So yes, we need to fool around with preload and ball position in varying conditions too.
Constant adjustments.

As Rusty Kiwi says, you're looking at the wrong view when you think of vertical. Enter "Swing Clock Defined" into the Search box on the right side of the screen and you'll find a detailed explanation to help you.
As for the wrist cock, there is none. There is flexion which occurs when the momentum of the club going one way meets the force of the arms going the other way. We resist that passively through firm wrists maintained by the firm pressure of the last three fingers of each hand, not any active motion against it. The wrists will flex to about 90*. Beyond that, the left wrist would begin to break down and either cup or bow.

Why would you say that? I'm intrigued by what theory you're proposing whereby the length of the club would have any relevance to whether you use an interlocking, overlapping, or ten finger grip. I've always used an overlapping grip, for every club I've ever picked up to make a swing with. Like Steve Smith, my putting grip is different, but I'm not making a full swing with it.

Robert,

I hate to say it, BUT, No, still haven't had time to play with my new toy's, Yet!

Busy weekend ahead starting in about an hour, Golf planned for Mon and Tue, so possibly later in the week, Maybe!

At least I feel needed, but way more than I'd like to actually be.

PMG

PS, Hand progressing well. I have full range of motion now and about 80/90 strength, except in the wrist area, which is from being unused and the tendon removal area.

My grip is havering between an inter-locking one and an overlapping one. Changed recently to the inter-locking grip and then jammed my ring finger on the right hand. It is sloooowly getting less painful. I noted when I made the change, that I seemed to hit the shots straight and strong. Now, if it starts to get sore, I swap back to overlapping, without any noticeable difference. I even went to an almost two finger over-lapping grip and it didn't seem to affect my swing too much at all.
I enjoyed the change to inter-locking so much, that I changed my putting grip to that also. The results have been extremely good.
The change in grip and concentrating on not bending the lead or left arm in the BUS, has made a lot of difference. As they say, "Confidence breeds confidence". Thankyou for  today's video Surge. Which leads me to my off the top of my head question ; - )
Surge, how do you manage to keep your hat on during the swing? It looks like a lighter version of my favourite Australian Akubra hat, which is languishing hanging on the wall. It is brilliant in the Summer [what Summer heh heh heh], but I clip it in the FUS to the left ear. DH

 Enzeau,

You are thinking of vertical as though it was the same as that stick you have up your rear end. Vertical is in relationship to a vertical lifting action Not a stopping point where the club must stick straight up into the air like the one straight up your rear end.

If you would really like an answer to your puzzlement, rather than just being a smart mouth jerk, try looking at this link for a little enlightenment, If you can bear to be enlightened that is. It would probable be best to get that stick out of you rear end first though, I know you think you know what you are talking about, but you really don't even have a clue. Really!
http://www.swingsurgeon.com/Ho...

Read carefully and study the pictures for a little enlightenment.

4,450,000

What about the so-called 'strong' grip vs 'weak' grip?

Understand you got skills your family appreciates! It is nice to be needed and still able. Glad to hear your hands are improving. As for your new golf tools. They'll be waiting for you when you're ready. I plan on doing some serious playing with my new "work shop" on my next days off.
PMG

Surge,

I learned the game using an interlocking grip and experimented with both the baseball and overlap grips.  I finally settled on the baseball grip for the past 7-8 years because I felt it gave me more control of the club.

Toward the end of last year I started to develope trigger finger ( self-diagnosed ) in the pinkie on my right hand.  With the milder weather here in NJ this winter I've been out about a dozen times and have gone to the overlap.  It seems to be working better as I get accustomed to it.  Time will tell.

I concur. A grip that is more relaxed brings more bat speed.
And I dub you Mr Baseball. You are a great resource,
Mr. Smith, for things baseball.
But....and this is your big but....(as Carol Burnett would say)
bat grip must be adequate to keep that accelerating mass 
(called a bat) from becoming released and launched.

I bet you did enjoy those guys that were locked
on with everything they had. K it is. 

I did not swing a huge bat, but I had my
best results when grip was adequate and comfortable.

Thanks for the thoughts on grip Surge. I have used the overlap for years. Actually started out with the interlock because that's what Jack Nicklaus did and well he was Jack Nicklaus and like many kids I had the "Golf My Way" book. Think the book was really my Dad's and it ended up as my how to golf starter.

Played 18 today and shot 42/42 for an 84. Was one of those days where I made lots of putts but missed several that I felt should have gone in but lipped out. Did make a 25 footer for my only birdy. Today was cool, cloudy and windy.Not the day I was likely to break 80 again. Any way golf is good under most conditions to me.

My new work table is finished and ready for action. I bolted my new grinder,loft/lie and vice to the table top. Might not fully baptise it till next days off. Back to work tomorrow. Am looking forward to adjusting lies though. My 7 iron is diffinitely too flat and the fact that I seem to consistently push it right of my target varifies that further. I am doing alot of research on grinding wedges. Fascinating subject to me and I am eager to see if I can see better results with my short sticks through modifications. Yes I will be careful and again I will practice with several old clubs from my 4 sets before I go close to my present newest set. It does hold interesting prospects and who knows maybe better golf is only a fit away. Oh boy, sounds dangerous. I'm livin' on the edge!
I must admit I'm having fun!

Terry, if your reading this, how are the hands coming along? Have you been able to play with your news toys yet?

In the PPGS, we use a neutral grip. Strong versus weak is a reference to rotating the hands at address on the shaft so that either the forward or back hand is more on top of the club, thus either promoting or restricting rotation through the impact zone. Since the hands want to return to square, a strong grip, with the forward hand more on top of the club will promote greater rotation, thus attempting to force the club head more closed for those people who have trouble getting it to square. In my experience, it doesn't work all that well, as almost everyone I've seen with a severely strong grip still manages massive slices. :)
To reiterate, Surge promotes a neutral or 3-P grip, palms parallel to each other and perpendicular to the body, ground, and aiming line.

Interesting because I use both the inter-locking grip (D through 6 iron) and the overlapping on 7 iron down through wedges.  I hit all shots equally poorly. Should I stick to one grip?

What's going on with the high ranked BB teams today Duke just got beat.
My computer broke the motherboard went bad older gateway. Bought a IMAC today trying to relearn how use a computer. Hope to get out and play this weekend if the rain stays away.  

Nice explanation by Robert below. I have adapted a very neutral grip keeping both hands and wrists fairly firm and avoiding wrist movement. If you want what many consider the ideal grip,get the swingrite from Doc's site. I have it and at first found the grip trainer that it comes fitted with looked and felt "strong" to me. But I have been reasured that it is considered neutral. Surge covers proper grip thoroughly in the paid videos. He is clear that he believes we should never change the 3p grip under any conditions. One exeption might be when we are using an iron,hybrid or wood as a putter around the green.Even then it would be circumstantial and depend on conditions.