Fitted Clubs Make All the Difference

I must be culturally illiterate.. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

JB:

>Your in the clear but in a few days I might have u by your golfballs so get ready.

Surge has summed info on club I am using. If he agrees to meet my fitter then anything we schedule will revolve around my fitter's schedule and whether or not Surge and Doc will agree to meet with him. So maybe we go back there (or my fitter on his own) and my fitter knocks their socks off and they become believers ... if you to my fitter's product then you will be in line to open eyes even wider.

Thanks Dick, glad to be back in action.

you and dicklee are putting down racist comments.

Bob - How do they know it's a lady's shaft? Does it say "lady"? Can't you claim it's a misprint and that it's really a Scottish shaft and should say "laddy"?

I believe I do.

BP:

As to:
"When you make travel plans to bring your club to this corner of the world, let me know. Until then, your use of the phrase "chickened out" is laughable."

Where is that? Do you have time for a demo in the next couple of months?

Reshafting in this case would be worthwhile as KZG's forgings have gone through the roof price wise. The HB516 is a hollow club and I think would hit the ball to high for you.

Hey Bill,
I'd be very careful talking that way to a person that lays their life on the line so your punk ....we'll won't do that but you know what I'm thinking, can stay home, sit on that big punk........same thing, and insult, belittle, and do all manner of other stupid stuff to others. I'd back up buddy and rethink that one. I don't think I'd ever use the word chicken and anything to do with Brian in the same sentence unless you're asking about what he had for dinner.

Bob

What are doing on the blog at this time of day?

Go to work or something.
Dick

Dick

Ohhh...is that where they got the name? I kinda knew there had to be a reason. I think they covered that in basic. I must have been dozing.

Don't do it Lynn. We all enjoy your comments and contributions. Just stick around and we'll help each other to just ignore them from now on. We'll get used to the buzzing in our ears after a day or so. They are not worth you leaving the blog over. Please rethink your decision.

jb51
Don't be sorry to inform me anything - it's all babble anyway
That wasn't hate you incorrectly diagnosed - it was derision & dismissal
Your posts from day one have exposed the motives of a snake in the grass
Character assessment is not hate, it's observation
I gave it thought before I posted & have done so again
Example - You are as thick as a brick, as transparent as spit, as deluded as WK, as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, as unrequired as a snake in a chicken coop & foolishly devious
See, not hate - character assessment - you were spotted from day one - go back & look

EDIT - Try the blog on DISTANCE & ACCURACY for starters
Here are a few excerpts

jb51 3 weeks ago in reply to Doc Griffin
Doc, I forgot to say that I'll reveal what I'am to get across to everyone--just think about it. JB51

Doc Griffin 3 weeks ago in reply to jb51
What the heck does that mean? I have more important things to think about!

jb51 3 weeks ago in reply to Doc Griffin
Doc, while you guys are bashing me for ( complete lack of understanding of the swing ). It should be evident on what I'am trying to say. There is one person on your blog that gets it . Get all the boys together on your blog and try to figure it out. The Surge do's it beautifully in his videos and I love to emulate his swing because of it. Have fun with this and see what you come up with but its not fair to asked the Surge anything. Have fun--JB51

Jackoz 3 weeks ago in reply to jb51
jb51 - If you've got something sensible to say, spit it out

Up till now all you've done is:-
- Make uninformed comments on situations you know nothing about
- Try to buy in to a "debate" & expose your ignorance
- Misrepresent peoples comments
- Pose childish guessing games
- Pose theories without substance

Most people on this blog will hear someone out & give them leeway to explain themselves
You are reaching the end of that chain

So if you have something to say - Do it
You are acting like the idiot that you call a nut case
So spit it out or be cast in the same basket as him
Your choice

End Quotes

That was some of your babble 3 weeks ago, so don't act hurt or suprised that you've reached the end of the chain

Murray: I'm very familiar with the 1-Irons, having owned and played them for over a year. The 1-Irons are built to your WTF measurement, and they all have the same weight, lie angle and steel shafts. They use a "center-of-stance" ball position, and the "same" swing for every club. If you have a higher swing speed (85 mph+), they may work for you. But, with my slower swing speed (75 mph), I was not getting the feel, accuracy or distance I expected. I recently had Doc Griffin build me a new driver and some hybrids, and they are FAR superior to the 1-Irons! For about the cost of a new set of 1-Irons, driver and the wedges, you can get a fitted set custom-built for you. For your money, the best choice is to get a professional fitting and have the fitter build you some personalized sticks. Hope this helps a little. R2

you are surrounded by indians ... as tonto says to the old lone ranger ... what you mean "we" white man? All you care about is the color white. You said so in one of your long deranged meanderings.

Bruce, Thank you for your comments. I am one of those who have allowed WK to take me to places I don't like to go. He does indeed seem to be able to get to our buttons. I would like to see him barred from the blog, but that is not within my control. The only control I have is over myself and my reaction/response to him. I apologize to him and the blog for my unkind negative responses to him, and will do no more. I pledge that any future responses to him, will be a simple prayer for his benefit. May god bless and heal his heart and mind.

Harry, One thing I do pretty well is keep my left wrist flat throughout the backswing. A bit of advice that might help, as I've mentioned a few times, is to follow Surge's advice to keep a firm grip with the last two fingers of your left hand. That activates the muscle on the outside of the left arm and makes it much more difficult for outside forces to bend your wrist.

I was actually going to ask a question about the ..bump.
Then I started thinking with this group wound up like this...nahhh. It would just be unthinkable.

DJ's swing fundamentals and club fit could both be perfect and not get the accuracy he would expect.

Driving and putting problems both share one basic root problem that cannot be fixed by mechanics or equipment. That is the eyes are not looking parallel to the aim line. When the outcome of the shot becomes important to a player he will swing down the line the eyes are looking even if the intent is to swing down the aim line.

Doc:

You called me twice and I have no idea what you want to talk about. I want you to talk to my fitter and don't really see a need to talk to you. I will pay to have him fly out and put on a demo for you and Surge so both of you can get hands on experience with what I have been talking about from a guy who helped CREATE the shaft from day one of the idea.

You claimed Laszlo "LASZLO never said one thing about you" and then I showed you that your statement wasn't true. Then you modified your claim to say that what he said was the truth (using two negatives).

I think that once the people get feedback from the trial by fitter runs for you so you can get your hands on this NEW technology that you will like it. And become a convert. And huge sales come to you.

Dick,

If you played golf the way I do, you'd be a glutton for punishment, too :-D

Kevin

Bootlicker

Robert

Thanks for the update. Glad you folks had a great time. It is always great to get back home and get settled in.

Glad to have you back with us.
Dick

What on earth is going on here with these comments... ?

Is someone set out to destroy the website?

Aguyajain, on behalf of the entire Surge Nation, I say:

Eat me.

Steve

Yes it will.

Here is a testimonial from one of our recent graduates.

"yesturday I coud not hardlie spel govnorment empluee or I meaent woker. Tuday, I are one."

Remember, the mind is a terrible thing.
Dick

Jacoz -- I can't see the likeness to Robert Walls -- closer to other people I know. But Maybe I need a bigger photo for my eye sight!

Roy, I wouldn't mind a ladies shaft if it helps. Not too sure about a pink one though. LOL
I'm anxious to meet with the fitter and get things rolling.

In terms of your "they look toe up," static lie is actually not relevant in the swing so much as dynamic lie. Put some tape across the bottom of the club and swing it to see lie of the blade as you swing it. Longer clubs may have a higher degree of toeing down in the performance of the swing, particularly with graphite shafts. Be sure that you're not actually changing your swing because of that visual change.

Lynn

Good luck with the weather, and happy hitting.

It is always good to go to bed with a smile on your face.

Good night, my friend
Dick

*sigh*

1. In my own defense, I was more than willing to "see the deal in action," but every time I agreed to what you wanted, you changed the terms, making it impossible. I'm not going to waste my time with a chronology of events.

2. "Surge wants to see the driver." Yes, but we know that's not gonna happen, right? Everyone has been bending over backwards to accommodate you, but you keep changing the conditions. I've lost count of how many people you've promised new drivers to. Now you admit that you don't have the rights to the magic shaft and have no right to show it to anyone. You're a liar. Plain and simple.

3. "Your mind is 100% closed to reality." Yeah? What's the color of the sky in your world?

I looked at the Aimpoint site and requested information from them and though interesting looking their instruction is for reading the break properly and not aligning the eyes to the aim line.

If you read the putt correctly and stroke it at the right pace with the eyes not parallel to the aim line, the stroke will release down the eye line when there is a need to hole the ball. That is when pressure rises, whether by desire or need, golfers swing down the eye line.

I liked the comment about greens being laid out on a mathematical basis. Especially as computers have aided architects to create tricky greens that confound golfers. The end goal of the design is to provide a challenge while adhering to the underlying absolute must, drainage. Sometimes an architect is given a dream property where the course hides in the landscapes. Other times the land is flat as a pancake and the architect has to create it from his imagination.

From your explanation of what they have available to help golfers read greens better is a potential great help to a lot of players who never understood how green shapes can mess with their heads. I like that they say the feet will give a strong indication of slopes that the eyes will not see. Once the break is ascertained the feet need to be ignored and focus goes
to the aim line in order to hole out the ball.

You say 40 yards longer and holing more 15 to 20 foot putts would help DJ rocket to #1. It wouldn't hurt anyone to improve. The key is to become a short game wizard. The first basic is to make all the make able putts. This distance is variable with an number of factors that affect it. First is having the eye line parallel to the aim line. The farther the eyes are misaligned, the shorter the make able distance is. Second are the mechanics. If the ball skids instead of rolling and/or has side spin the distance will be shorter. Third is the green itself. The type of grass, weather conditions, and consistency of growth will affect the make able distance.

Increasing the make able distance is the key to scoring. It makes it easier on the short game. It makes it easier on the iron play. It makes it easier on tee shots. It makes up for any tee to green errors when the player knows that all he has to do is get the ball with in the distance that he knows he will make every putt. That said a green always has the right to reject putts that are struck perfectly.

Dick

A true gentleman ?? You better take that back, right now. ;0) If you don't mind I prefer SA, thank you.

I did get out for a round today and shot bogey golf, kinda stunk up the place. I switched back to my version of the claw grip with my putter and it needs some work to put it mildly....lol. Don't tell Doc , but the best part of my round was the driver. I played my par 58 course mainly due to all of the rain we've had, so I only hit the driver 4 times on the par 4s. It was dead solid and straight and longer on 2 of the par 4s than I've ever driven it. Just keep it a secret between us. You know how Doc's ego gets. ;0)

Saved the best part for last. I played with 2 guys about my age or a couple of years older. One had both knees replaced about 6 months ago and was playing for the first time this year. He hit his irons solid and long, but being rotational his knees wouldn't allow him to turn the way he need to for accuracy. I explained Surge's swing to him and demonstrated it (lol, well, at least my version of it). He tried it and it worked. My good deed for the day.

The second guy had 2 back operations, 2 hernia operations, recovered from prostate cancer, operations on both shoulders and had the greatest attitude about the game and could really play. We needled each other the whole round and had a blast.

When we were finished he asked for my fone number so we could get together again. He said..."ya know it's not how you play, but who you play with". I told him I whole heartedly agreed. Made my day.

Lynn42

Dick

I was hesitant about having Doc build a driver for me, but now that he has recieved the official "troll of approval" award, I know I made the right decision. Since this is,no doubt, now going to lead to a new and improved line of designer drivers I'm trying to figure out how to come up with an additional 750,000,000 bucks to pay for it.

Maybe I can get a fogie discount or at least get Doc and Roy to throw in one of their new and improved sunscreen hats.

Lynn42

As to:
you are thick headed, aren't you. Here it is in simple language. It's not the shaft we're avoiding, IT'S YOU. You are a sick little man, that nobody wants to have anything to do with, regardless of how many yards it may or may not give.

Two answers:
1.Doc called me today and I am going to return his call but have my fitter talk to him. (and I am 6'4" tall).
2. Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

http://www.nizkor.org/features...

Notice how you were not attacked in response to your attack on me.

N/A

You are right, I have said the same thing. Unfortunately, I have failed to follow it though. Thanks for the reminder.

Alan:

Ball fitting is all about matching a ball to your swing speed. It is generally done by having you hit seveal of your "current" balls on launch monitor. The results are then feed into a computer program, and a recommendation is made.

Then you hit the recommended ball - several of them -- and the results are compared to your current ball.

The bottom line, so to speak, is that fast swingers need harder cored, harder covered golf balls; slower swingers need softer cores. softer covers -- average swing speeds will be somewhere in the middle.

Just be aware of fittings that promote "find the best yyyyyyy ball for you" A true ball fitting will consider nearly every available golf ball on the market.

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

Amos

Doc:

The shaft like I am using will give Surge 30 more yards ... take that to the bank.

Ya, today I go back to work. I'd rather be retired and just getting back into golf. Actually massage is a great fit for me as was the many other service related jobs I've had. Still love massage work but realise I need to transition into something else. Who knows. You'll also end in something more appropriate for you in your future. You've got a great connection to the golf business. I need to find mine. It'll come, not worried. Enjoy each day as it comes and be the best we can be.
Hope my hands get used to the work again. Next few days will tell the story.

racist comment robert

I dont necessarily agree with WK , but this blog site is getting less and less attractive as a result of the mindless abusiveness of some of you! WK is entitled to an opinion. You saggers should consider the character faults you reveal!!

As to: 1. In my own defense

I am headed to Stadium right now. I am there most afternoons and you have repeatedly said that you don't want to see a new technology in action. If this was England several hundred years ago you would be leading a mob burning the revolutionary spinning wheel. I think the psychological term for your attitude is called - technophobe.

technophobe |'tekn??fob|
noun
a person who fears, dislikes, or avoids new technology.
DERIVATIVES
technophobia |?tekn?'fobe?| noun
technophobic |?tekn?'fobik| adjective

You old sandbagger - jb even makes me look smart & my IQ has been compared to half a caterpillar - the wrong half

Insanity has been redefined with this last edition of farce
What are the chances of two people
(a) both selling the wonder of magic shafts,
(b) both with the same incoherent rambling method of confusing the issue (evasion)
(c) both having a dislike for punctuation
(d) both having the aim of discrediting DOC
(e) both with unjustified inflated egos
(f) both using misdirection as a tool (today it was racism)
(g) both liars
(h) both representing themselves as our conduit to the future (saviours)
(i) both are martyrs
(j) both refuse to accept objections to their obnoxiousness
(k) both never reaching the promised end point
(l) both melodramatically prolonging the farce
Letters m to z are given a reprieve

I find it amazing that a few people think that the issue of objection is about a shaft
For me it's about the MOTIVES behind this endless charade

Stay well Steve
Jack

Thank you Robert. I couldn't find the link so I'm glad you stepped up to the plate for us. You da man!! R2

Bootlicker

Lynn

I think we should get a button made for Doc. He can wear it when he does his next House call.

"I love trolls, and they love me back."

Dick

racist