Fitted Clubs Make All the Difference

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Yea, but Bubba has the game to back it up.

R U actually saying that I have something correct? Stop the presses, we have a miracle here.

Surge Nation

Does anyone hear that buzzing?

Dick

JB51
Thank you for confirming my character assessment of you with your incoherent rambling in your reply to me & others

One question for you -
What race and color am I?
Jack

Lynn

This whole troll under the bridge thing scares the crap out of me. As many times as I hit in the water, I spend a lot of time down by the bridges looking for balls. I am afraid to go by the bridges now. I don't want a troll to run out and hit me with a magic shaft, while I am bent over retrieving my ball.

Dick

Thanks for kind words. What really is upsetting to me about the golf industry is the lack of truth in advertising and improvement claims. There was a time a club design would stay the same for 5 or 7 seasons.  Now its like the car industry, every season the manufacturer has improved on last years design or introduces a total new design, but they are always better than last years model. Lower center of gravity, as much as 15% to 20% over last years model.  Based on those claims some of the designs on the market have a center of gravity located in Beijing China. This years model is longer than last years, I've heard that so many seasons from one brand that an 9 iron should be good for 200 yards. Last season 2010 that  same manufacturer advertised in magazines, TV ads, Store signage, and even decals on their irons "guaranteed to out distance any same iron in your bag or any same iron by any manufacturer.  That ad claim lasted one month, all ads had the outdistance quote removed, TV Ad were edited or redone, same for print ads and store signs were pulled and the irons were called in and re-wrapped and re-boxed.  All of that including shipping cost was probably in the millions. Stores that had their inventory pulled to be re-wrapped and re-box were told to tell potential customers that the irons were in such demand that the factory could not keep up with production.  The first person in some companies to design next years wonder irons is an industrial designer, make it look good and it will sell. Then an engineer has to figure out to get the new design to conform to weight distribution and basic elements true to all irons.  Then the new design has been compromised to get everything right and then it's sent off to marketing for coming up with the BS of the new design.  We should all start demanding data to back up claims, and magazine reviews should be done 75% weighted on Iron Byron results.

Doc:

On the issue of hitting up on the ball we 100% agree. A ball with less spin bores into the wind and also goes farther. Surge says he takes spin off the ball to hit it into the wind ... he should follow your advice and hit all his drives that way.

And I read all your swing advice because you supply insight when I didn't get the point when Surge presented the same idea. I may not always agree with every point you and Surge have to say but your swing advice is quite helpful.

If we stick to the issues and not get invested in emotion or attributing motivations to others when we don't agree then that permits multiple points of view to be explored. You have a lot invested in fitting and I have a driver that I am told is a one of a kind deal. Should I be open to you saying that you think you know what I've got and can match or beat it ... sure. But if I am being told by my fitter today that I have something that isn't what you think it is ... am I supposed to believe you or him?

And I didn't recommend Aimpoint for DJ because I was belittling his putting skills -- he is vastly better than I am just as he is. But I recommended Aimpoint because I took it , because it is based on testing and science and it works for me and got results for Scotty McCarron.

I think janet would like to hear about a bump.

Haven't been on here for a few days cuz I HAVE BEEN PLAYING GOLF, not engaging in pointless, effusive, diatribe. I am truly dismayed by the level of acrimony that currently rules this blog and truly hope that the perpetrator can be barred from future use. It is really disturbing to see this guy push the buttons of everyone in here, that have heretofore ALWAYS conducted themselves as gentlemen (and ladies), and whose sole reason for being here is to learn to play better, share their good and bad experiences, have more fun at this game, and maybe make some new friends.

I have to say though, when the comment was made that Kevin would need more than the "magic shaft" to make him play better or the comment about the pathetic swings at the golf school; that was truly the breaking point. Those are the kind of comments that come from someone who has no interest in seeing others succeed in this game, and really doesn't belong in here. This game isn't about hitting 300 yards in the air, it's about getting the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes. Is it an advantage to hit it long? Sure it is! And I truly wish WK the absolute best with his shaft; it sounds truly wonderful and almost too good to be true. Period.

This site is about swinging vertical and developing the technique that will enable a player to, as Don says, shoot those lower scores. And then there is the technology aspect that Doc has explained to enable an appropriate fit between player and clubs so that we have the opportunity to use equipment that will enhance our playing characteristics and abilities. There are so many GOOD instructional tools that will help everyone play better it is simply overwhelming, if we only learn to use them. I sincerely hope we can return to highlighting those issues and renew our focus on the positive.

Yours in Golf

Bruce

It sounds like you are the one in need of getting fit. Go to the Emerald City and ask to see the Wizard, he can fit you for a brain. He might also be able to shrink that gigantic over grown ego you have. I am sorry, but he won't be able to help you with the being an asshole problem.Even he can only do so much.

Of course it does. I used to be a rabid Broncos fan until Elway retired.

Laszlo, I understand and agree with you completely that the wise thing to do would be to not argue with him. If no one ever responded to his blather, he would probably get bored and go somewhere else. The problem is, unfortunately, that he posts disparaging untruths about Surge, DJ and Doc, and the golf swing which is the basis of this website. If he's allowed to rant unchecked, casual readers of this website could possibly buy into the garbage that he posts. He writes as if he's an authority on anything and everything, and some innocent person who doesn't possess a bull$hit meter could read his crap and believe that what Surge teaches here is wrong. If I see Bill K post something that I know is utter and complete bull$hit, I fully intend to call him on it. I hope the other regulars here, who are infinitely more knowledgeable than me about golf, will do the same. As far as being dragged down to his level, that may be true, but it's only on a golf blog that I'm lowering myself. Every other aspect of my life will remain at my usual high standards.

Bill K, honey -- I hate to say it, but you've told so many lies on this website that even if your stories are true, nobody believes them. So sorry.

Cool. I've never heard a mariachi version of "Three Little Birds" before.

Steve

That is a home movie version of the skit I did about the 3 of them in a car when the police stop them and they get into an argument about which one of them should get the ticket.

It must be confusing to try and make sure everyone get some air time.
Dick

Bla,Bla,Bla, Just more S.O.S.

you got a lousy deal. You deserve it.

I think I might go outside and smoke. There is an Arturo Fuente 858 in my humidor that is just begging to be lit.

Bob

jane:

your lady part seems to be way underused if you are making public request for help you. Once the hot flashes are over the hotness just ain't there no more. Guys can stay hot even at your age.

To any Aussie Rules fans:-
Is Roy Reed a twin to Robert Walls?

I assure you Roy, it's a compliment - the guy is a legend & a gentleman

Same here, T. I am so tired of this WK guy. It's just not worth getting involved in the guy's private little world of magic shafts. As Lynn42 said earlier, the thing that matters is getting the ball in the hole using the lease amount of strokes. To me, accuracy is more important than distance. Anyway, hope your day goes well. R2

Bob

Thanks for your contribution, as always to our knowledge of the game of golf and many other life endeavors.

Dick

Janet:

Surge wants to see the driver. That should be the attitude of anyone who wants a better golf game. Your mileage may vary. You have been invited to see the real deal in action and chose not to so there really is no other conclusion that your mind is 100% closed to reality.

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Robert, I reckon you're right about the comfort / fit / no conflict thing
Amos' approach of finding the ball that performs best for him around the greens & accepting what it delivers elsewhere describes me as well

I used a Srixon Z Star instead of a Pro V1
The Z Star feels harder in both core & cover to me
I haven't found a ball with a cover more receptive than the V1 so I guess that's where I'll keep returning to
I get them real cheap & if I don't lose one it lasts about 6 rounds so no pain in the wallet

That "squash ball" feel you dislike is my preferred feel
Thanks for the food for thought
Jack

Remember when Congresswoman Maxine Waters tried to obtain funding for the Oakland School System to teach Ebonics?

Lynn

You are a true gentleman.

We still consider you as part of our family on the Surge Nation.

I hope you are doing well, and getting to play some golf.

Miss you pal,
Dick

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Kevin

I don't care how I play, as long as I play.

Dick

jb51:

>> HOW OFTEN DO U SEE OR TALK TO YOUR FITTER ?

I am going to his house tomorrow and we are going to call Doc.

>? And do u know the guy my buddy ran into at the driving range.

Like how in the world would I know who your buddy ran in to at the driving range? I am not going to let you throw out tidbits of info and let you figure out what I am using. Neither confirm nor deny is what I was taught on security.

> Ever since my friend met that guy he's been giving me the cold shoulder and not returning my calls.

Your basic reaction to this new info was to go down into your basement and try to build something better than what you sell now to your customers. Maybe he is reacting to your attitude. Like he wants the best driver he can get his hands on and all you do is want to fight (similar behavior to others here). Some people want to focus on personality and others focus on results ... maybe he saw you as the type of person who may have been on top of the craft but forgot to keep up and got argumentative instead of staying on top of current technology .... maybe he read this blog and figure out you were calling me 51/50 and was reacting to thinking that better materials produce longer straighter drives .... there are a whole host of explanations why he has turned a cold shoulder including maybe he has a cold or a skin cancer or 100 million other issue that have nothing to do with you or golf. I have noticed a lot of self-absorption here and a lack of ability to deal with reality.

>I have some family stuff I need to take care of which might take a week to finish but don't think I forgot about our little dual in the sun, ( it will be on a golf course not a driving range ).

I want my fitter's son to call which drives go where in length and accuracy. I can't see having a golf course shut down for our test. AND Kevin informs us (indirectly - no intent on his part) that we should also put the MUGEN shaft in the mix to see how it stacks up. Maybe you compare it to what you use now and it beats all your best efforts. Then you may at least have a scant prayer of competing. Not sure I care for you telling me what the conditions have to be. Same conditions will apply to all driver shafts we test. I am open to other shafts in this test as well.

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Hey, T, Janet, Steve, You guys need to go back to ignoring WK. It does no good to argue with a fool and you cannot help someone who prefers to live in denial. You have just gone back to throwing fuel on his flames. Let his fire burn out on it's own. What he is doing now, is a classic case of transference. In his mental state, it is everyone else who is wrong and he is the only one making sense. You cannot enlighten one who prefers to live in shadows and darkness. Just leave him to his own demise.

You know, I thought about that before I posted it, but I was very very quiet when I said it. Maybe it won't be noticed.

JanetM:

>fitter again to the woman who ran the snack bar or something.

You are not my fitter.

I think his name is welt. Was Janet acting like a lady or a grilla?

I like that!

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Jackoz:

Me too! I play a soft core/soft cover ball for the reasons that you posted with similar results.
Plus with my slower swing speed, around 70 mph with a driver, I go as far with a soft cover/soft core ball as I do with a harder "Tour" ball.

Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

Amos

Lynn

How about this for a button. "9 out of 10 trolls agree, Doc is the man."

Or, "Doc knows trolls." or "Trolls need lovin too."

Dick

 We should all find a brand/model that we like the looks of, get the price, and then go see a certified club fitter. As you say, he will most likely, build you a similar style and look, with a proper fit, for close to the same cost. I am getting a Driver, 2FWs, and 6-irons, from a certified SSGS Fitter, for around $1,500. for the total package and process. That's the complete fitting process and any and all follow up process checking and modifications. A good so called quality set of irons with graphite shafts today, non-fitted and off the rack, are around $800.00 to $1000.00, Drivers are around $250-500, and FWs around $150. to $250.  Even at the cheap end that's a total of around $1,400.00 for non-fitted, non-matching, non-spine floed, non-frequency matched, non-Moi-matched, non-loft and lie checked and corrected for you personally, without the grip of your choice, off the floor rack so called  quality clubs. Exactly the same for all regardless of height and arm lengths. Oh, you do get to choose a flex, not that all the shafts will have the same flex, but with the power of thinking you can choose, you'll feel better. You deserve better and more for that kind of money spent. SEE A FITTER. Better golf is just a fit away.

All too often I play a round of golf with someone who brags about their custom fitted and custom built clubs. And what have they got? Clone heads, lies set by just wrist and height measurement, and shafts based only on club head speed. These type of fitters are just stick and glue guys selling you a product that has little in relation to fitted clubs. Let me define fitted clubs. First expect to spend $1,200 plus for your clubs. Your fitter will have a sophisticated launch meter and numerous combinations of shafts and heads to get to the right fit for your swing. The club heads are not going to be clones with close sounding names and similar shapes to the real thing. Your clubs heads will be either high end Japanese proprietary designs, or they will be actual brand name heads. There are still a few big brands that will sell the heads only, but not as many a usual. After you are fitted and clubs are made by your fitter with such details as verification of all lofts and lies along with frequency matching of all the shafts, you will use the launch meter to verify the specs are achieved. Next he will take you out to the range to again verify all is right when hit in the real world. Anything less is not fitted and custom clubs. Seems too expensive for you? Consider that your new off the rack $899 brand name clubs do not have the same exact $$$ shaft of a certain line, they usually say "made for so and so golf", look like but cheaper specs. The heads are made in China, the shafts in Vietnam, the grips in Bangladesh, hey its right on the label read it. Oh yeah, those $899 clubs will be closing out in 18 months for $499 and 24 months for $299. Don't confuse $129 set of clones from Ebay cut 1/.2 inch and 1 degree flatter for your specs to be fitted gloves, so when you get disappointed with them, who's to blame? Look in the mirror.

Robert

In the home repair business, a lot of guys "adapt" tools to uses other than what they were designed for. It can get you through in a pinch. But if a person wants to do their best work, they get the right tool. With the right tools, you do a better job in a shorter time. I think it works the same in golf. We make do with what we have, but to really do it right, we need the right tools. It is just one less thing to worry about. The more our mind is clutter with trying to remember how much we need to choke down on this club or that club, or how this clubs works in each situation, the less we can concentrate on just doing the swing right. I don't know about anyone else, but for me, I don't need the extra things going through my head.

I learned in the Corps, to use a little saying. KISS= Keep It Simple Stupid.

Surge says the fewer angles, the better. I think it works the same with this subject. The fewer details I have to try to remember about my sticks, the better.

The right stick and the right swing=the right shot.

As always, thanks for your on target posts.
Dick

what does janet's post look like?